Anonymous
12/19/2023 07:54
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:MLS Next was pushed hard because of solidarity payments as well IMO. It gave more control to the MLS after their decision to go after solidarity payments. They were successful with Weston McKennie and getting compensation to FC Dallas.
https://theathletic.com/933096/2019/04/18/breaking-down-mlss-new-solidarity-payments-policy-and-how-it-will-impact-academy-players/?amp=1
Putting the politics aside, (there is politics in soccer all over the globe btw) isn't MLS Next a better run organization and league with much higher quality all around than ECNL?
Why wouldn't true soccer loving folks want MLS Next?
Anonymous
12/19/2023 07:37
Subject: Ecnl make up games
MLS Next was pushed hard because of solidarity payments as well IMO. It gave more control to the MLS after their decision to go after solidarity payments. They were successful with Weston McKennie and getting compensation to FC Dallas.
https://theathletic.com/933096/2019/04/18/breaking-down-mlss-new-solidarity-payments-policy-and-how-it-will-impact-academy-players/?amp=1
https://theathletic.com/933096/2019/04/18/breaking-down-mlss-new-solidarity-payments-policy-and-how-it-will-impact-academy-players/?amp=1
Anonymous
12/19/2023 07:19
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:All Union families fly. But the richer ones fly private. It saves a lot of time.
America Youth Soccer has come to this.
Bragging about flying private to subpar pay-to-play games.
Oy vey
Anonymous
12/19/2023 06:42
Subject: Ecnl make up games
I believe it was the Yedlin case that triggered the decision to start mlsnext. The USSF was, of course, absolutely compliant even though it meant 70 plus clubs that were in the DA and not tied to an MLS team were now scrambling to find a league for their top boys teams.
Two things happened. 1. MLS added a bunch of clubs to the league - you have to play games at some point after all. And, 2. The ECNL added guy teams.
Two things happened. 1. MLS added a bunch of clubs to the league - you have to play games at some point after all. And, 2. The ECNL added guy teams.
Anonymous
12/19/2023 06:15
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Money and politics overview.
ECNL started because the USSF decided to start the Development Academy league and made it “boys only”. (And then lied about starting the girls’ side “next year”.)
The problem for the clubs who were now Development Academy, the top rung on the boys side of things, is that they all had girls’ programs too. Trying to explain why the boys got xyz and not the girls was, frankly, impossible. So - Basically the ECNL was created by those clubs to keep their customers from leaving and from getting sued. It was not the same of course (including cost), but the concept was to try and equalize things.
Ten plus years later, as part of the then US women’s national team contract negotiations, the women insisted that the USSF actually include girls in the Development Academy program. Shortly thereafter though, MLS and the USSF lost a major arbitration case which meant that the would no longer get to keep and split up between themselves, the professional “development fees”bpaid out when a young player signs a pro contract. Instead, the fee distribution would have to include the youth soccer clubs where the players actually played.
Can’t have that of course. The development fees can run into seven figures. So - MLS decided to start its own league - MLSNEXT. That way Development fees from those players now go to MLSNEXT.
Money and politics.
Can you link to the specifics of the arbitration decision? Was this a FIFA decision? Thanks!
https://socceresq.com/2018/07/07/what-exactly-is-preventing-us-soccer-and-mls-from-participating-in-the-fifa-solidarity-training-compensation-system/
This gives you an idea.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 22:11
Subject: Ecnl make up games
All Union families fly. But the richer ones fly private. It saves a lot of time.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 21:45
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:Money and politics overview.
ECNL started because the USSF decided to start the Development Academy league and made it “boys only”. (And then lied about starting the girls’ side “next year”.)
The problem for the clubs who were now Development Academy, the top rung on the boys side of things, is that they all had girls’ programs too. Trying to explain why the boys got xyz and not the girls was, frankly, impossible. So - Basically the ECNL was created by those clubs to keep their customers from leaving and from getting sued. It was not the same of course (including cost), but the concept was to try and equalize things.
Ten plus years later, as part of the then US women’s national team contract negotiations, the women insisted that the USSF actually include girls in the Development Academy program. Shortly thereafter though, MLS and the USSF lost a major arbitration case which meant that the would no longer get to keep and split up between themselves, the professional “development fees”bpaid out when a young player signs a pro contract. Instead, the fee distribution would have to include the youth soccer clubs where the players actually played.
Can’t have that of course. The development fees can run into seven figures. So - MLS decided to start its own league - MLSNEXT. That way Development fees from those players now go to MLSNEXT.
Money and politics.
Can you link to the specifics of the arbitration decision? Was this a FIFA decision? Thanks!
Anonymous
12/18/2023 21:32
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No they should play… a lot. Driving 12 hrs and overnight for single game on frozen turf seems like an excellent character builder.
Not in this division, buster. 7 hours max.
Don't you have to drive home afterwards?
Only if you’re poor. All Union families fly.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 21:29
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No they should play… a lot. Driving 12 hrs and overnight for single game on frozen turf seems like an excellent character builder.
Not in this division, buster. 7 hours max.
Don't you have to drive home afterwards?
Anonymous
12/18/2023 21:13
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:No they should play… a lot. Driving 12 hrs and overnight for single game on frozen turf seems like an excellent character builder.
Not in this division, buster. 7 hours max.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 20:56
Subject: Ecnl make up games
No they should play… a lot. Driving 12 hrs and overnight for single game on frozen turf seems like an excellent character builder.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 18:16
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Any parent that says their team shouldn’t play because they have been eliminated should not bother having a kid playing in ECNL.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 18:06
Subject: Ecnl make up games
The point is that some ages will play games with something still meaningful at stake. Others will already be eliminated from any post season considerations. At that point the value of the game can be replaced with a local scrimmage. The rules as posted seem easily bent based on those making decisions. Commitment met by families on first travel failure.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 15:38
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Money and politics overview.
ECNL started because the USSF decided to start the Development Academy league and made it “boys only”. (And then lied about starting the girls’ side “next year”.)
The problem for the clubs who were now Development Academy, the top rung on the boys side of things, is that they all had girls’ programs too. Trying to explain why the boys got xyz and not the girls was, frankly, impossible. So - Basically the ECNL was created by those clubs to keep their customers from leaving and from getting sued. It was not the same of course (including cost), but the concept was to try and equalize things.
Ten plus years later, as part of the then US women’s national team contract negotiations, the women insisted that the USSF actually include girls in the Development Academy program. Shortly thereafter though, MLS and the USSF lost a major arbitration case which meant that the would no longer get to keep and split up between themselves, the professional “development fees”bpaid out when a young player signs a pro contract. Instead, the fee distribution would have to include the youth soccer clubs where the players actually played.
Can’t have that of course. The development fees can run into seven figures. So - MLS decided to start its own league - MLSNEXT. That way Development fees from those players now go to MLSNEXT.
Money and politics.
ECNL started because the USSF decided to start the Development Academy league and made it “boys only”. (And then lied about starting the girls’ side “next year”.)
The problem for the clubs who were now Development Academy, the top rung on the boys side of things, is that they all had girls’ programs too. Trying to explain why the boys got xyz and not the girls was, frankly, impossible. So - Basically the ECNL was created by those clubs to keep their customers from leaving and from getting sued. It was not the same of course (including cost), but the concept was to try and equalize things.
Ten plus years later, as part of the then US women’s national team contract negotiations, the women insisted that the USSF actually include girls in the Development Academy program. Shortly thereafter though, MLS and the USSF lost a major arbitration case which meant that the would no longer get to keep and split up between themselves, the professional “development fees”bpaid out when a young player signs a pro contract. Instead, the fee distribution would have to include the youth soccer clubs where the players actually played.
Can’t have that of course. The development fees can run into seven figures. So - MLS decided to start its own league - MLSNEXT. That way Development fees from those players now go to MLSNEXT.
Money and politics.
Anonymous
12/18/2023 13:43
Subject: Ecnl make up games
Anonymous wrote:Money and politics.
I see. Thanks for the explanation.