Anonymous
12/16/2023 08:49
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:The university didn't disinvite him. It was a group of students who signed a letter and tried to get him disinvited from giving a guest lecture.
The professor of the course disagreed with the students, but warned Kalb about the letter out of courtesy. UC Berkeley vehemently disagreed with the students and asked Kalb to present his lecture on environmental issues, noting "the provost will also be sending a message to every dean and department chair to remind them of Berkeley's support for an open exchange of ideas, and our rejection of political litmus tests when it comes to who can speak in our classes. The college leadership also intends to use what happened as an opportunity to engage the community in a discussion about the importance of diversity of perspective and the dangers of censorship of any sort."
So yeah, he wasn't disinvited. A group of students through a hissy fit because Kalb tweeted about bringing home the Israeli hostages.
Do you have a cite to corroborate any of what you claim?
Anonymous
12/15/2023 22:55
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless they left something egregious out of the article, the students were protesting that he's Jewish. That's it.
Disagree.
They were protesting against his support for Israel in light of Israel's indiscriminate massacre of thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women, children, and disabled.
Israel has "smart bombs" which are used for precise targeting, but Israel is using "dumb bombs" to kill indiscriminately.
Hey you forgot to mention the Hamas indiscriminate slaughter of 1200 innocents that started the conflict. When one country gets invaded, it typically will fight back. See, I'm helping to educate you. Stay away from your Jewish neighbors. They are scary.
+100
Always jaw-dropping when the pro-Palestinian activists totally neglect to address the absolute carnage, rape, torture, mutilation, and indiscriminate murder of innocent Israelis that started this conflict. Just sweep that right under the rug.
Agree completely. And on top of that: many of the unknown/unverified casualties in Gaza are certainly Hamas terrorists (Hamas is a designated terrorist organization).
How many? 50% ? 80% ?? Hamas constantly lies, so it is impossible to tell the real number.
And beyond the 1,200 innocent civilian Israeli lives lost, add on the 200+ civilians now being held hostage (many of whom are children!) and on top of that: the 200+ innocent IDF troops who have lost their lives while simply doing their jobs and trying to restore peace in Gaza, but were murdered by Hamas terrorists. That is well over 1,600 innocent Israelis slaughtered.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 18:27
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The university didn't disinvite him. It was a group of students who signed a letter and tried to get him disinvited from giving a guest lecture.
The professor of the course disagreed with the students, but warned Kalb about the letter out of courtesy. UC Berkeley vehemently disagreed with the students and asked Kalb to present his lecture on environmental issues, noting "the provost will also be sending a message to every dean and department chair to remind them of Berkeley's support for an open exchange of ideas, and our rejection of political litmus tests when it comes to who can speak in our classes. The college leadership also intends to use what happened as an opportunity to engage the community in a discussion about the importance of diversity of perspective and the dangers of censorship of any sort."
So yeah, he wasn't disinvited. A group of students through a hissy fit because Kalb tweeted about bringing home the Israeli hostages.
The message sent and received was quite clear: Jewish people’s social media posts (all of them) will be screened for any possible indication a Jewish person dares speak well of the Jewish state.
Try to astroturf all you like; but we got the message.
Exactly. The gaslighting is quite astounding.
neither one of you understands the definition of astroturf. or gaslight for that matter
Clearly, it's you who has zero understanding of those terms. Do better.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 18:26
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The university didn't disinvite him. It was a group of students who signed a letter and tried to get him disinvited from giving a guest lecture.
The professor of the course disagreed with the students, but warned Kalb about the letter out of courtesy. UC Berkeley vehemently disagreed with the students and asked Kalb to present his lecture on environmental issues, noting "the provost will also be sending a message to every dean and department chair to remind them of Berkeley's support for an open exchange of ideas, and our rejection of political litmus tests when it comes to who can speak in our classes. The college leadership also intends to use what happened as an opportunity to engage the community in a discussion about the importance of diversity of perspective and the dangers of censorship of any sort."
So yeah, he wasn't disinvited. A group of students through a hissy fit because Kalb tweeted about bringing home the Israeli hostages.
The message sent and received was quite clear: Jewish people’s social media posts (all of them) will be screened for any possible indication a Jewish person dares speak well of the Jewish state.
Try to astroturf all you like; but we got the message.
Exactly. The gaslighting is quite astounding.
neither one of you understands the definition of astroturf. or gaslight for that matter
Anonymous
12/15/2023 17:39
Subject: Re:University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the speaker supports Israel, then he is a hypocrite--something pointed out in the letter signed by the UC-Berkeley students.
The speaker advocates for fair housing & equal rights in the Bay area, but supports apartheid Israel which forces over 2 million innocent Palestinians to live (and die) in abhorrent conditions.
What does supports Israel mean?
To show sympathy for people who get hurt? If humans cannot express sympathy for any people who have been battered, bombed and sexually violated, regardless of where they come from, we are all lost.
Kalb also voted for a cease fire in the vote taken by the city council of which he is a member.
Cancelling Kalb is dehumanizing and a choice to live in greater ignorance. Cancelling Adania Shibli (not at Berkeley, just an example) is the same thing.
We have to learn to talk with each other.
The article didn't quote the "offending" post so it's hard to tell, but it made it sound they were objecting partly on the basis of his membership in some Jewish groups. That's super troubling. And, based on the posts of his that I could see, he did appear like a pretty moderate/progressive sort of guy.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 17:35
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless they left something egregious out of the article, the students were protesting that he's Jewish. That's it.
Disagree.
They were protesting against his support for Israel in light of Israel's indiscriminate massacre of thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women, children, and disabled.
Israel has "smart bombs" which are used for precise targeting, but Israel is using "dumb bombs" to kill indiscriminately.
Hey you forgot to mention the Hamas indiscriminate slaughter of 1200 innocents that started the conflict. When one country gets invaded, it typically will fight back. See, I'm helping to educate you. Stay away from your Jewish neighbors. They are scary.
+100
Always jaw-dropping when the pro-Palestinian activists totally neglect to address the absolute carnage, rape, torture, mutilation, and indiscriminate murder of innocent Israelis that started this conflict. Just sweep that right under the rug.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 17:32
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The university didn't disinvite him. It was a group of students who signed a letter and tried to get him disinvited from giving a guest lecture.
The professor of the course disagreed with the students, but warned Kalb about the letter out of courtesy. UC Berkeley vehemently disagreed with the students and asked Kalb to present his lecture on environmental issues, noting "the provost will also be sending a message to every dean and department chair to remind them of Berkeley's support for an open exchange of ideas, and our rejection of political litmus tests when it comes to who can speak in our classes. The college leadership also intends to use what happened as an opportunity to engage the community in a discussion about the importance of diversity of perspective and the dangers of censorship of any sort."
So yeah, he wasn't disinvited. A group of students through a hissy fit because Kalb tweeted about bringing home the Israeli hostages.
The message sent and received was quite clear: Jewish people’s social media posts (all of them) will be screened for any possible indication a Jewish person dares speak well of the Jewish state.
Try to astroturf all you like; but we got the message.
Exactly. The gaslighting is quite astounding.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 17:31
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LMAO. You know a school has gone off the SJW deep end when it's too woke for a climate change alarmist.
LMAO. You know a poster is a moron when the refer to people researching the currently ongoing catastrophe of climate change as “alarmists.” I mean, I get that armies of people are paid by fossil fuel companies to pretend to be scientists so they can invent controversy about what all real scientists know is going on, but why morons like PP repeat the silly lies puzzles me.
Ooh, now address the actual substance of this thread, which is that - YET AGAIN - college students are allowed to display their antisemitism loud and proud. Funny how you completely neglected to mention that.
DP
Anonymous
12/15/2023 16:57
Subject: Re:University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:If the speaker supports Israel, then he is a hypocrite--something pointed out in the letter signed by the UC-Berkeley students.
The speaker advocates for fair housing & equal rights in the Bay area, but supports apartheid Israel which forces over 2 million innocent Palestinians to live (and die) in abhorrent conditions.
What does supports Israel mean?
To show sympathy for people who get hurt? If humans cannot express sympathy for any people who have been battered, bombed and sexually violated, regardless of where they come from, we are all lost.
Kalb also voted for a cease fire in the vote taken by the city council of which he is a member.
Cancelling Kalb is dehumanizing and a choice to live in greater ignorance. Cancelling Adania Shibli (not at Berkeley, just an example) is the same thing.
We have to learn to talk with each other.
Anonymous
12/15/2023 16:12
Subject: University of California, Berkeley disinvites environmentalist addressing climate change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The university didn't disinvite him. It was a group of students who signed a letter and tried to get him disinvited from giving a guest lecture.
The professor of the course disagreed with the students, but warned Kalb about the letter out of courtesy. UC Berkeley vehemently disagreed with the students and asked Kalb to present his lecture on environmental issues, noting "the provost will also be sending a message to every dean and department chair to remind them of Berkeley's support for an open exchange of ideas, and our rejection of political litmus tests when it comes to who can speak in our classes. The college leadership also intends to use what happened as an opportunity to engage the community in a discussion about the importance of diversity of perspective and the dangers of censorship of any sort."
So yeah, he wasn't disinvited. A group of students through a hissy fit because Kalb tweeted about bringing home the Israeli hostages.
The message sent and received was quite clear: Jewish people’s social media posts (all of them) will be screened for any possible indication a Jewish person dares speak well of the Jewish state.
Try to astroturf all you like; but we got the message.
More like: an invited speaker's social media posts will be screened for views some find offensive.
Plenty of speakers have been canceled in the past for all other kinds of topics, like their views on reproductive rights, or transgenderism, or general politics.
Usually I'd blame the university, since UC Berkeley is public and has to follow the 1st amendment, but in this case it was the students and not the university cancelling the speaker.