Anonymous
12/14/2023 16:12
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.
No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)
That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:59
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.
No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:58
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:54
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:I’m in Baltimore not DC, but think the NCS complainers are exaggerating. If not, kids here are doing a lot better with colleges, at least the top quarter.
No, the data on here is correct-- from Scoir.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:34
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.
My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?
Because by the time parents realize this, it's too late. Their daughter is a junior or likely, a senior and grades are in the books. My guess is that they're going to have to start grading more reasonably this year or next because these grades don't have crew recruits (or maybe 1) so the school won't have these Ivy acceptances to hide behind and things are not going to be pretty overall (and you know that prospective parents screen the college matriculation lists like hawks) it will be too late for these classes but there may be a reset for the grades to come.
The only kids getting into top 20 schools are the 3.9+ ones (who do really well and prop another year of parents willing to pay for NCS because "Oh! Wow! The college admissions are SO great!"
But get a few Bs? Even a few? The outlook is far more bleak. the school sent about 10 girls (out of 72) combined to Drexel and Syracuse last year. They're good schools but I'm sure they're not what parents had in mind when their kids were in 4th grade.
They also sent seven to the University of Chicago, which disrupts this narrative because it gets taken for granted. But even that range of GPAs moved rightward on the graph after being pretty steady for a number of years. But if you expand your scope from top twenty to top twenty-five (and there really is not that big a difference in the bottom of that group, which is pretty impressive) the results change. I hear what you are saying, but the landscape has changed everywhere. I don't know that it is just an NCS issue but NCS gets singled out on this Board over and over.
Maybe it’s that NCS is all girls and girls have been disadvantaged in admissions for the past 15+ years, so that doesn’t help. Also, if classes don’t have legacy kids who are both capable of of meeting minimum criteria to get admitted to a top SLAC or Ivy or URM kids who are capable of meeting minimum criteria or recruitable athletes who are capable of meeting minimum criteria you will not have as impressive outcomes. If grading were changed it might help but the girls will still be going up against other unhooked girls from good schools who are full pay. It’s hard to stand out when you look like everyone else on paper. Add to that the fact that testing data which may have previously helped bolster academic qualifications against similar peers is no longer required by many schools and also hopelessly skewed because only students with near perfect scores bother submitting.
Are better sports teams the answer?
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:25
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
I’m in Baltimore not DC, but think the NCS complainers are exaggerating. If not, kids here are doing a lot better with colleges, at least the top quarter.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:20
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.
My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?
Because by the time parents realize this, it's too late. Their daughter is a junior or likely, a senior and grades are in the books. My guess is that they're going to have to start grading more reasonably this year or next because these grades don't have crew recruits (or maybe 1) so the school won't have these Ivy acceptances to hide behind and things are not going to be pretty overall (and you know that prospective parents screen the college matriculation lists like hawks) it will be too late for these classes but there may be a reset for the grades to come.
The only kids getting into top 20 schools are the 3.9+ ones (who do really well and prop another year of parents willing to pay for NCS because "Oh! Wow! The college admissions are SO great!"
But get a few Bs? Even a few? The outlook is far more bleak. the school sent about 10 girls (out of 72) combined to Drexel and Syracuse last year. They're good schools but I'm sure they're not what parents had in mind when their kids were in 4th grade.
They also sent seven to the University of Chicago, which disrupts this narrative because it gets taken for granted. But even that range of GPAs moved rightward on the graph after being pretty steady for a number of years. But if you expand your scope from top twenty to top twenty-five (and there really is not that big a difference in the bottom of that group, which is pretty impressive) the results change. I hear what you are saying, but the landscape has changed everywhere. I don't know that it is just an NCS issue but NCS gets singled out on this Board over and over.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:06
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.
My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?
Because by the time parents realize this, it's too late. Their daughter is a junior or likely, a senior and grades are in the books. My guess is that they're going to have to start grading more reasonably this year or next because these grades don't have crew recruits (or maybe 1) so the school won't have these Ivy acceptances to hide behind and things are not going to be pretty overall (and you know that prospective parents screen the college matriculation lists like hawks) it will be too late for these classes but there may be a reset for the grades to come.
The only kids getting into top 20 schools are the 3.9+ ones (who do really well and prop another year of parents willing to pay for NCS because "Oh! Wow! The college admissions are SO great!"
But get a few Bs? Even a few? The outlook is far more bleak. the school sent about 10 girls (out of 72) combined to Drexel and Syracuse last year. They're good schools but I'm sure they're not what parents had in mind when their kids were in 4th grade.
Many girls go to Chicago each year - imagine they are in the sub-3.9 range. Tulane? Tufts? UVA? St andrews? There's a gulf between top 10/20 and Drexel.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 15:01
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.
My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?
Because by the time parents realize this, it's too late. Their daughter is a junior or likely, a senior and grades are in the books. My guess is that they're going to have to start grading more reasonably this year or next because these grades don't have crew recruits (or maybe 1) so the school won't have these Ivy acceptances to hide behind and things are not going to be pretty overall (and you know that prospective parents screen the college matriculation lists like hawks) it will be too late for these classes but there may be a reset for the grades to come.
The only kids getting into top 20 schools are the 3.9+ ones (who do really well and prop another year of parents willing to pay for NCS because "Oh! Wow! The college admissions are SO great!"
But get a few Bs? Even a few? The outlook is far more bleak. the school sent about 10 girls (out of 72) combined to Drexel and Syracuse last year. They're good schools but I'm sure they're not what parents had in mind when their kids were in 4th grade.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:46
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
The valedictorian alway has a 3.97-4.0. Some years it's a 3.97ish. Some years a girl manages to get a 4.0.
What the SCOIR data shows is that these girls (the 3.95+) are the only ones getting in unhooked to places like Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wash U. it's a few girls at the very top who get all these acceptances each year. Contrary to DCUM posters' belief or what the school wants parents in younger years to think--you're not getting into any of them with anything less than straight As with a few A minuses.
Are these girls at least also getting into HYPS or Dartmouth/Brown or Williams/Amherst?
The under 3.9 set? no. Not per Scoir.
They're getting into liberal arts colleges under the top 10.
I mean over the top 10
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:45
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
The valedictorian alway has a 3.97-4.0. Some years it's a 3.97ish. Some years a girl manages to get a 4.0.
What the SCOIR data shows is that these girls (the 3.95+) are the only ones getting in unhooked to places like Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wash U. it's a few girls at the very top who get all these acceptances each year. Contrary to DCUM posters' belief or what the school wants parents in younger years to think--you're not getting into any of them with anything less than straight As with a few A minuses.
So these GPAs are for unhooked kids. How do you know? Can you see hooked kids (legacy, athletic recruit, and URM)?
The NCS scoir data is unhooked per the college counseling office.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:45
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
The valedictorian alway has a 3.97-4.0. Some years it's a 3.97ish. Some years a girl manages to get a 4.0.
What the SCOIR data shows is that these girls (the 3.95+) are the only ones getting in unhooked to places like Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wash U. it's a few girls at the very top who get all these acceptances each year. Contrary to DCUM posters' belief or what the school wants parents in younger years to think--you're not getting into any of them with anything less than straight As with a few A minuses.
Are these girls at least also getting into HYPS or Dartmouth/Brown or Williams/Amherst?
The under 3.9 set? no. Not per Scoir.
They're getting into liberal arts colleges under the top 10.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:44
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.
My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?
Not a NCS parent, but maybe NCS has fewer hooked kids? I don’t think you can take Sidwell or Maret as the norm with elite acceptances, they have so many VIP kids. And personally, being well prepared for college is important. I send my kid to private to be well prepared, be in an academically challenging environment, and among well behaved kids.
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:36
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
The valedictorian alway has a 3.97-4.0. Some years it's a 3.97ish. Some years a girl manages to get a 4.0.
What the SCOIR data shows is that these girls (the 3.95+) are the only ones getting in unhooked to places like Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wash U. it's a few girls at the very top who get all these acceptances each year. Contrary to DCUM posters' belief or what the school wants parents in younger years to think--you're not getting into any of them with anything less than straight As with a few A minuses.
So these GPAs are for unhooked kids. How do you know? Can you see hooked kids (legacy, athletic recruit, and URM)?
Anonymous
12/14/2023 14:33
Subject: Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).
Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.
Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.
The valedictorian alway has a 3.97-4.0. Some years it's a 3.97ish. Some years a girl manages to get a 4.0.
What the SCOIR data shows is that these girls (the 3.95+) are the only ones getting in unhooked to places like Rice, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Wash U. it's a few girls at the very top who get all these acceptances each year. Contrary to DCUM posters' belief or what the school wants parents in younger years to think--you're not getting into any of them with anything less than straight As with a few A minuses.
Are these girls at least also getting into HYPS or Dartmouth/Brown or Williams/Amherst?