Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

How do you know that "crime is up everywhere?"? What data is your claim based on? Please link.

The NYT articles based its story on the following data:

The data
The various sources of crime data — from government agencies and private groups — tell a consistent story. Retail theft has not spiked nationwide in the past several years. If anything, it appears less common in most of the country than it was before the pandemic.

The most up-to-date source is the shoplifting report published this month by the Council on Criminal Justice, which uses police data through the first half of 2023. The other sources go through only 2022.

The council tracks 24 major U.S. cities. Overall, shoplifting incidents were 16 percent higher in the first half of 2023 than the first half of 2019. When New York City is excluded, however, reported shoplifting incidents fell over the same time period. Out of the 24 cities, 17 reported decreases in shoplifting.

The shoplifting problem “is being talked about as if it’s much more widespread than it probably is,” said Sonia Lapinsky, a retail expert at the consulting firm AlixPartners.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

ummm I don’t think that report comes anywhere near the “debunking” you wish it showed. the actual data shows an increase in the most concerning retail theft. for those of us who actually live or visit cities with big increases it is a problem.

So, boo, maybe understand what a "skewed" sample is before opining further, mkay?

I guess if you live in NYC or whatever, you might find this to be a problem (even though it's just "stuff.")

And no, it doesn't show an increase in "the most concerning retail theft" whatever that is.

I understand how desperate you are for the "crime is out of control" narrative to resonate with people, although maybe you should take a look at the Virginia election results (especially Juan Pablo Segura's awful race and messaging) to get a clue for why it's a loser of an issue. Yes, it's an issue in some isolated places. But it's not some national problem.

Anonymous wrote:Dems will believe anything.
Crime is up every where

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

So, your left wing argument is that left wing cities are seeing crime go up so much that it cancels out decreases elsewhere?

And you think this will make people vote Democrat?

Good luck with that.

No, my argument is the fearmongering about crime isn't going to work. I mean, we've already seen that in the recent election.

Look, flyover country people by and large are already fearful of the city. That's nothing new. But those people tend to be feebleminded anyway, and feebleminded people tend to vote conservative.

It's not going to work for independent people.

And, yes, cities will continue to vote Democrat. You're deluded if you think people are going to be so freaked out about shoplifting that they're going to pull the lever for MAGA fascists and insurrectionists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

So, your left wing argument is that left wing cities are seeing crime go up so much that it cancels out decreases elsewhere?

And you think this will make people vote Democrat?

Good luck with that.

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

Anonymous wrote:Two notes:

Washington, DC is not one of the cities included and it would be good to know why;

and

The amount of *violent* or *felony* attacks is actually up, which is going to matter to people a lot more than other types of crime.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, it's down 7% since before Covid.

https://counciloncj.org/shoplifting-trends-what-you-need-to-know/?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20231129&instance_id=108850&nl=the-morning®i_id=130978122&segment_id=151232&te=1&user_id=fcb1b8a728d5f78d42df74f0dbc09f85

It IS a problem in a few cities, i.e. NYC and Los Angeles, and those drove the overall percentages higher.

“The overall data doesn’t indicate a great shift in the average shoplifting event, but the brazen ransacking incidents, coordinated on social media and captured on video, clearly suggest that there is a sense of lawlessness afoot, that anything goes," said CCJ President and CEO Adam Gelb. "We typically think of serious violent crimes, like mass shootings, as the offenses that spark fear and drive the politics of crime. But these mass shoplifting events have the potential to derail two decades of criminal justice reform.”

This is important information as the election looms and Fox News and RWNJs in social media forums try to persuade Aunt Edna in Des Moines and other flyover states that crime is out of control.

ummm I don’t think that report comes anywhere near the “debunking” you wish it showed. the actual data shows an increase in the most concerning retail theft. for those of us who actually live or visit cities with big increases it is a problem.