Anonymous
12/01/2023 12:19
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HS teacher here. You should bring it up with the head of the math department or the appropriate assistant principal. Teacher should not be double penalizing students for wrong answers. AP tests are careful not to apply multiple penalties.
Agree on contacting resource teacher and assistant principal. This is an ANCIENT form of scoring that hasn't been used in education in 75 years. Not sure if it is the case but there are many math teachers who are lateral entry into the profession and do not have the education/experience on how to assign/score work. They may be teaching as they were taught. I would think other parents have similar issues with this type of assignment as you do. Make contact and I would expect a quick resolution.
Since at least four posters in this thread said it was used at their school, this form of test is not that ancient. Use your judgment on taking it further. If it is in elementary or middle school, then probably not worth dying on that hill. If it counts for a small potion of the grade, eg a quiz counting for 5% extra credit, then it’s fine because the teacher tests for high accuracy and mistakes are not penalized proportionally. Its not unfair to score this way on a single test, but it is if applied to the final.
Anonymous
12/01/2023 09:53
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:HS teacher here. You should bring it up with the head of the math department or the appropriate assistant principal. Teacher should not be double penalizing students for wrong answers. AP tests are careful not to apply multiple penalties.
Agree on contacting resource teacher and assistant principal. This is an ANCIENT form of scoring that hasn't been used in education in 75 years. Not sure if it is the case but there are many math teachers who are lateral entry into the profession and do not have the education/experience on how to assign/score work. They may be teaching as they were taught. I would think other parents have similar issues with this type of assignment as you do. Make contact and I would expect a quick resolution.
Anonymous
12/01/2023 07:36
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
I'm not OP and I don't have something with 16 linked questions but it's not difficult to pull off. There are some math contests that have relay rounds in which kids sit in a certain order and the first person goes and does a problem and then passes off their solution to the next person which they need to do their problem and so on. If the first person gets it wrong the entire team fails even if everyone else does everything correctly.
You just need to have a variable in subsequent questions that is the answer to the previous question. It can be 1, 2, 3, or anything really. It doesn't really impact the difficulty of the problems given and can be used with simple addition and up through Calc and higher math.
Anonymous
12/01/2023 07:28
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
In elementary parents don’t see individual test grades like this.
My 4th grader got a zero on her fractions test last year because it was graded like this. The first question had the kids look at number frames and write a fraction representing the shaded boxes. My daughter counted wrong and wrote 176/100 instead of 175/100. Question 2 was to simplify the fraction. Question 3 was to write it as a compound number. Question 4 was to add it to another fraction (finding the common denominator). Question 5 was to write the answer to question 4 as a mixed number. Etc. She did every problem correctly except the very first one where she counted wrong, but got a zero, despite actually doing harder math because her fraction didn't have as easy a common denominator. The teacher said they don't get partial credit on SOLs and that the app the district gave them to do grading doesn't do partial credit so that's just how it is these days. I still think it's ridiculous, but didn't bother fighting it. Grades in 4th grade don't matter, but I might feel differently with a high schooler.
Thank you to you and other posters who took the time to explain this to some of the ridiculous posters up higher.
Anonymous
12/01/2023 07:27
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
+1
We saw this in elementary in the compacted classes.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 23:48
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
In elementary parents don’t see individual test grades like this.
My 4th grader got a zero on her fractions test last year because it was graded like this. The first question had the kids look at number frames and write a fraction representing the shaded boxes. My daughter counted wrong and wrote 176/100 instead of 175/100. Question 2 was to simplify the fraction. Question 3 was to write it as a compound number. Question 4 was to add it to another fraction (finding the common denominator). Question 5 was to write the answer to question 4 as a mixed number. Etc. She did every problem correctly except the very first one where she counted wrong, but got a zero, despite actually doing harder math because her fraction didn't have as easy a common denominator. The teacher said they don't get partial credit on SOLs and that the app the district gave them to do grading doesn't do partial credit so that's just how it is these days. I still think it's ridiculous, but didn't bother fighting it. Grades in 4th grade don't matter, but I might feel differently with a high schooler.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:46
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
In elementary parents don’t see individual test grades like this.
I have no clue what the above means.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:40
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
In elementary parents don’t see individual test grades like this.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:31
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Here’s the type of sequence I saw in elementary to early middle school: take a number, add 3, square it, take one third, subtract 5, take the square root etc. if this type is the OPs 25 questions and the daughter messed number 9 and tanked everything up to 25, then no, you can’t Karen your way to the principal over this.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:30
Subject: Follow through grading
OP’s post couldn’t be clearer. No OP, o haven’t heard of this before and I agree it sounds unfair.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:28
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
I don’t understand why so many reading comprehension issues. Read it again. The op outlines that the answer from each question is required to proceed to the next question. Did you get that? Then the example provided is that if you get question 9 wrong, then because that question is wrong you will automatically also get the subsequent 16 questions wrong. So that’s 25 questions (9+16) that are all linked. Presumably if you get question 1 wrong then you’ll also get the next 24 wrong. It’s really not difficult to follow, but it seems you don’t want to actually read and understand.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:24
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
There’s no way it’s elementary. No elementary kids would be advocating like that.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 22:22
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.
Please explain how it is clear it’s not elementary.
Now the claim is there are 25 questions, all linked or just the last 16? Nah, I can smell bs here. Curious if OP actually saw the test or just going by what the daughter said (who may or may not be in elementary school).
Anonymous
11/30/2023 21:45
Subject: Follow through grading
Truly baffled at all the skepticism. It’s also possible it’s not 16 questions but 16 points and the information got lost in translation from daughter to mother to DCUM.
Anonymous
11/30/2023 21:37
Subject: Follow through grading
Anonymous wrote:There should be more details. If it’s a high school math question (above Algebra) with 16 linked results, I am incredulous and I would be genuinely interested in seeing that test, so please post the actual question.
If we’re talking about those elementary school questions, as a previous poster said, where you perform simple arithmetic sequentially on the previous result, then going to the principal over it is just laughable.
Actually, reading it again it’s clear that is a test with 25 questions and it’s clearly not elementary school from the description. I assumed high school but it could be middle.