Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:51     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question for nanny staters. How do you go to Costco type places using public transit ?


It is easy to get to Costco on public transit. But I'm guessing what you are really asking is how you transport a lot of stuff on public transit. You don't. You either get things delivered or you use a Zip car/ride share or similar.

Question about what you mean by "nanny stater." You realize that this legislation REMOVES government requirements, rather than creates them, right?
they will forbid parking . And will forbid new single family homes
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:43     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll need to read this bill myself but this sounds discriminatory or eliteist (I’m searching for the right word). How are the people supposed to get to work, shop, visit family, go to places not accessible to metro? It does not seem like a well thought out bill. It seems like a pat yourself on the back bill.


You know how, when you're driving around in your car, and you look through your windshield, you sometimes see people out and about who aren't in cars? Have you ever asked yourself what those people are doing?

I’m not going to waste my time and make my life more difficult to avoid using a car.


Ok, then don't? Nobody is making you do that.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:42     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:

And yet we put bus stops 300 feet apart because otherwise it's too far to walk.

The idea that, if you make parking hard, people will switch to bikes or scooters or whatever from cars is just nutty. No one is going to do that. They'll just go elsewhere. All these kinds of projects do is just change the demographics of who lives there. People with kids or who otherwise need cars go elsewhere and people who don't need cars (invariably, childless white people in their 20s and 30s) will come in.


The idea for this bill is simply to not require developers to provide parking for housing near Metro stations. Developers would still be free to choose to provide parking. People would still be free to choose not to live somewhere without parking.

And actually, there is plenty of evidence that people with cars do, indeed, choose to use non-car transportation when it's more difficult or expensive to park, but choose to drive when it's easy and cheap to park.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:40     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:Simple, we will not shop there and businesses will lose business.

Exactly. We will simply obfuscate our way to prosperity!
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:39     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll need to read this bill myself but this sounds discriminatory or eliteist (I’m searching for the right word). How are the people supposed to get to work, shop, visit family, go to places not accessible to metro? It does not seem like a well thought out bill. It seems like a pat yourself on the back bill.


You know how, when you're driving around in your car, and you look through your windshield, you sometimes see people out and about who aren't in cars? Have you ever asked yourself what those people are doing?

I’m not going to waste my time and make my life more difficult to avoid using a car.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:39     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll need to read this bill myself but this sounds discriminatory or eliteist (I’m searching for the right word). How are the people supposed to get to work, shop, visit family, go to places not accessible to metro? It does not seem like a well thought out bill. It seems like a pat yourself on the back bill.


You know how, when you're driving around in your car, and you look through your windshield, you sometimes see people out and about who aren't in cars? Have you ever asked yourself what those people are doing?


I’m the PP quoted and to answer your question It was very hard. I was one of those people for about 20 years of my life here in MoCo. It would take me about an hour and a half to two hours on public transportation to get to a destination. I had the time metro and bus schedules. I would have to help my parents carry groceries home. I had calluses on my hands from walking 15 to 20 minutes from the grocery store to my house carrying gallons of milk, cans and general groceries. I could go on and on about our hardships without a car and relying on public transportation but I think you’re going to dismiss my experience because it doesn’t fit your narrative. When my parents finally got a car, it was life-changing for us.

So when I’m driving around in my car and look through my windshield, I’m very thankful that I have my own transportation. My groceries are safe in the trunk, and I don’t have to wait outside in freezing, rainy, or extreme heat. And my husband scolds me for this, but when I see a woman and child waiting out in these elements, I will offer them rides.


That's very kind of you. So, on a personal level, for you, if this bill becomes law, all you will have to do in response is not move into a condo near a Metro station, if it doesn't have a parking space. And, on a policy level, the solution is not for everyone to have a car and drive it everywhere; it's for transportation and land use policies, including better public transportation, so that people don't have to have a car and drive it everywhere in order to meet their daily needs.


I have a personal question which is going to come off as trying to be rude, but I’m not. Do you personally own a car or did you grow up with a car? I know some people, I’m curious about your personal experience.


I'm the PP you're responding to. At various times in my life, I have owned a car, had access to a car I did not own, or not had access to a car.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:32     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At new condos etc. meaning not providing parking spaces . How do people shop? Buy large items? Get away to avoid a domestic abuser? He claims it costs less to not have parking spots so costs go down. Laughable


Using transit (for example, Metro or a bus), their feet, a bike or e-bike, an e-scooter, a taxi, a ridehailing service, a rental vehicle, and/or delivery. How is this even a question?

What's more, the proposal would not forbid developers from providing parking spaces, and also would not require people to live in units without parking spaces. So if the developers were worried that people would be unable to shop without having a parking space, all they would have to do is: provide parking spaces. Similarly, if potential residents were worried that they would be unable to shop without having a parking space, all they would have to do is: not move there.

Are you seriously suggesting that the county must continue to require developers to provide parking spaces for condo units within one-half mile of a Metro or Purple Line station (a 10-minute walk) or within a quarter mile of a bus rapid transit station (a 5-minute walk), because otherwise people will be unable to escape from domestic abusers?

There are currently, right now, plenty of people in Montgomery County who don't own a car. If you don't know any, then it might be a good idea for you to get out more and meet some.

https://www.mymcmedia.org/council-considers-reducing-parking-requirements-for-new-housing/


And yet we put bus stops 300 feet apart because otherwise it's too far to walk.

The idea that, if you make parking hard, people will switch to bikes or scooters or whatever from cars is just nutty. No one is going to do that. They'll just go elsewhere. All these kinds of projects do is just change the demographics of who lives there. People with kids or who otherwise need cars go elsewhere and people who don't need cars (invariably, childless white people in their 20s and 30s) will come in.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:31     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:Question for nanny staters. How do you go to Costco type places using public transit ?


For the Costco in Wheaton, you can take Metro, a Metrobus (C, Q, or Y), or RideOn (4, 7, 8, 9, 31, 34, 37, 38, 48, or FLEX). For the Costco in Gaithersburg, you can take RideOn 55.

Also, how is this relevant to a "nanny state"? Nobody is forcing you to take public transportation to Costco.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:31     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question for nanny staters. How do you go to Costco type places using public transit ?


It is easy to get to Costco on public transit. But I'm guessing what you are really asking is how you transport a lot of stuff on public transit. You don't. You either get things delivered or you use a Zip car/ride share or similar.

Question about what you mean by "nanny stater." You realize that this legislation REMOVES government requirements, rather than creates them, right?



Even if you’re not using public transit, it’s a hell of a lot cheaper to use Uber to visit Costco once in a while than it is to own and maintain a car.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:28     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question for nanny staters. How do you go to Costco type places using public transit ?


It is easy to get to Costco on public transit. But I'm guessing what you are really asking is how you transport a lot of stuff on public transit. You don't. You either get things delivered or you use a Zip car/ride share or similar.

Question about what you mean by "nanny stater." You realize that this legislation REMOVES government requirements, rather than creates them, right?


Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:23     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:Question for nanny staters. How do you go to Costco type places using public transit ?


It is easy to get to Costco on public transit. But I'm guessing what you are really asking is how you transport a lot of stuff on public transit. You don't. You either get things delivered or you use a Zip car/ride share or similar.

Question about what you mean by "nanny stater." You realize that this legislation REMOVES government requirements, rather than creates them, right?
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:08     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll need to read this bill myself but this sounds discriminatory or eliteist (I’m searching for the right word). How are the people supposed to get to work, shop, visit family, go to places not accessible to metro? It does not seem like a well thought out bill. It seems like a pat yourself on the back bill.


You know how, when you're driving around in your car, and you look through your windshield, you sometimes see people out and about who aren't in cars? Have you ever asked yourself what those people are doing?


I’m the PP quoted and to answer your question It was very hard. I was one of those people for about 20 years of my life here in MoCo. It would take me about an hour and a half to two hours on public transportation to get to a destination. I had the time metro and bus schedules. I would have to help my parents carry groceries home. I had calluses on my hands from walking 15 to 20 minutes from the grocery store to my house carrying gallons of milk, cans and general groceries. I could go on and on about our hardships without a car and relying on public transportation but I think you’re going to dismiss my experience because it doesn’t fit your narrative. When my parents finally got a car, it was life-changing for us.

So when I’m driving around in my car and look through my windshield, I’m very thankful that I have my own transportation. My groceries are safe in the trunk, and I don’t have to wait outside in freezing, rainy, or extreme heat. And my husband scolds me for this, but when I see a woman and child waiting out in these elements, I will offer them rides.


That's very kind of you. So, on a personal level, for you, if this bill becomes law, all you will have to do in response is not move into a condo near a Metro station, if it doesn't have a parking space. And, on a policy level, the solution is not for everyone to have a car and drive it everywhere; it's for transportation and land use policies, including better public transportation, so that people don't have to have a car and drive it everywhere in order to meet their daily needs.


I have a personal question which is going to come off as trying to be rude, but I’m not. Do you personally own a car or did you grow up with a car? I know some people, I’m curious about your personal experience.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:07     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Anonymous wrote:There’s also crime on Public transit and it will only get worse. Sure I can be carjacked but that’s also your fault


So the county should continue to require developers to build parking spaces for housing next to Metro stations, because you are afraid of crime on transit?
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:06     Subject: Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
^^^Also on the personal level: carts on wheels, for your groceries. Much easier than carrying gallons of milk in plastic bags in your hand. You can fit four full bags of groceries into one of those little grandma carts. You can fit even more into a pull-along cart with sides.
Anonymous
Post 11/28/2023 09:06     Subject: Re:Moco’s glass introducing bill to limit parking near public transit
Zipcar used to have more locations, but that’s how we got around on the rare occasions we needed a car for a few hours. We lived next to a Metro station. We also had an Enterprise car rental place a block away. We used PeaPod to deliver groceries. I loved not having a car. We only bought one because we were expecting twins and I didn’t think I could manage 2 infants without a car.