Anonymous
10/25/2023 22:01
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
So since it is a black college, you ignore the low score metrics?
That's racism.
Exactly. Low scores are low scores. The PP clearly would like to ignore that fact.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 21:47
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Why is that?
I don’t think those schools have graduation rates that are out of line with the student qualifications.
For example, Howard has a 6 year graduation rate of 66%, an average HS GPA of 3.66, and an SAT range of 1100-1270.
The University of Arizona (just picked because it has similar entering student characteristics) has a 62% 6 year graduation rate, HS GPA of 3.53 and an SAT range of 1140-1240. These are almost identical.
Some of the other HBCUs have students with drastically lower entering statistics. For example, Bethune-Cookman has an average SAT of 800 and HS GPA of 2.9. An SAT score of 800 indicates that the student isn’t ready for college, and the graduation rates reflect this.
Do you think the colleges could do more to help the students at the HBUC graduate at higher rates ?
Anonymous
10/25/2023 21:29
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Why is that?
Also interested in understanding why HBCUs have low graduation rates ….
After two years, tuition becomes increasingly more difficult. If eligible, I am sure some transfer to a lower cost state school. I know several Hampton students transferred to the cheaper Virginia state schools.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 21:13
Subject: Re:Worst colleges in US
Also known as : list of schools I’ve never heard of
Anonymous
10/25/2023 21:12
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Why is that?
I don’t think those schools have graduation rates that are out of line with the student qualifications.
For example, Howard has a 6 year graduation rate of 66%, an average HS GPA of 3.66, and an SAT range of 1100-1270.
The University of Arizona (just picked because it has similar entering student characteristics) has a 62% 6 year graduation rate, HS GPA of 3.53 and an SAT range of 1140-1240. These are almost identical.
Some of the other HBCUs have students with drastically lower entering statistics. For example, Bethune-Cookman has an average SAT of 800 and HS GPA of 2.9. An SAT score of 800 indicates that the student isn’t ready for college, and the graduation rates reflect this.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 21:02
Subject: Worst colleges in US
There were a number of arts/music focused colleges on there. I’d bet their grad rates are lower because students drop out or take a pause from college for artistic pursuits. And duh their salaries will be lower than business and engineering grads, but that doesn’t make the education any less valuable.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:55
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Why is that?
Also interested in understanding why HBCUs have low graduation rates ….
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:52
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Trump University on the list?
OP - isn’t it already out of business due to fraud charges or whatever the reason for being fined was?
That’s fake new. Trump University is alive and well. That’s where all the students are learning that the US is really us.
Huh?
According to Sexton, Trump signed off on the school's advertisements. For a time in 2008, it used the name "Trump Wealth Institute". In June 2010, Trump University changed its name to "The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative". It largely ceased operations in 2010.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Trump University - Wikipedia
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:48
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where is Trump University on the list?
OP - isn’t it already out of business due to fraud charges or whatever the reason for being fined was?
That’s fake new. Trump University is alive and well. That’s where all the students are learning that the US is really us.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:47
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Why is that?
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:44
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
Which ones of these colleges are known for being dominated by black people?
2. Alabama State University 14.4
4. Clark Atlanta University 13.2
6. Grambling State
11. Central State University 10.1
15. South Carolina State University 9.6
16. Tuskegee University 9.5
17. Texas Southern University 9.4
19. Bethune-Cookman University 9.0
21. Alcorn State University 8.
HBCUs are known to have low graduation rates.
Even the "top" ones like Howard, Morehouse and Spellman have relatively low graduation rates.
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:39
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
So you’re saying these colleges were picked because they are heavily black?
DP
It doesn’t make sense unless one knows the colleges on the list are actually known for being black colleges. They might be but I am not familiar with that .
Degree Choices said it measured college economic performance and graduation rates to create its list of the worst universities.
* Outrageously low earnings after graduation
* Alumni who are in debt for most of their lives
* Disturbingly low graduation rates
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:35
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:So many of these colleges are "where Black people go" so I'm guessing it's veiled racism
So you’re saying these colleges were picked because they are heavily black?
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:30
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The thread on graduating from schools with low grad rates spurred me to think more about why some colleges have very low graduation rates.
Any thoughts or better rankings for this? I have one from DegreeChoices which is more empirically sound than this one, but this one raised some good points to consider such as prevalence of law suits against universities.
50 worst colleges in America
https://shebudgets.com/news/worst-colleges/
SheBudgets ranks Colleges based on their graduation rate, quality of education, the school’s reputation, cost, and the percentage of graduates who find jobs. Obviously, this ranking is not scientific but interesting nonetheless.
Many deserve to be on list with low graduation rates around 20% or less, high tuition, poor management, and poor job prospects afterwards
However not sure all the colleges on its list deserve to be there:
Marquette 84% grad rate but claims of high crime
RPI in NY 61% grad rate but claims of students free speech quashed
University of DC 18% grad rate and tired facilities
Georgetown in DC 45 % grad rate but claims free speech quashed
Does Georgetown really have only a 45% grad rate? That seems implausible given its stature especially in medicine and law studies … a lot of students do complain about the accommodations being subpar though …
Yeah, that's wrong info. Georgetown has a six year graduation rate of 96%. And I am not a fan of Georgetown, but this ranking is weird.
It might be related to first amendment law suits or something since the article mentioned freedom of speech being hampered there …
Anonymous
10/25/2023 20:15
Subject: Worst colleges in US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The thread on graduating from schools with low grad rates spurred me to think more about why some colleges have very low graduation rates.
Any thoughts or better rankings for this? I have one from DegreeChoices which is more empirically sound than this one, but this one raised some good points to consider such as prevalence of law suits against universities.
50 worst colleges in America
https://shebudgets.com/news/worst-colleges/
SheBudgets ranks Colleges based on their graduation rate, quality of education, the school’s reputation, cost, and the percentage of graduates who find jobs. Obviously, this ranking is not scientific but interesting nonetheless.
Many deserve to be on list with low graduation rates around 20% or less, high tuition, poor management, and poor job prospects afterwards
However not sure all the colleges on its list deserve to be there:
Marquette 84% grad rate but claims of high crime
RPI in NY 61% grad rate but claims of students free speech quashed
University of DC 18% grad rate and tired facilities
Georgetown in DC 45 % grad rate but claims free speech quashed
Does Georgetown really have only a 45% grad rate? That seems implausible given its stature especially in medicine and law studies … a lot of students do complain about the accommodations being subpar though …
Yeah, that's wrong info. Georgetown has a six year graduation rate of 96%. And I am not a fan of Georgetown, but this ranking is weird.