Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is wealth related to ED?

They are committed to a school before knowing what their financial aid is, if any.

That's not true. They get the aid offer and can exit the agreement if it's too expensive.

What is true is that they have to decide on the ED school before they can compare other aid offers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is wealth related to ED?

There is typically a connection between wealth and students having the opportunity to visit schools and know what their #1 choice.
To have your college application done in October of your Senior year means that you had advising (wealth) to guide you through the process and help you stay on top of deadlines to get things done early.

It is not a perfect proxy - but it is close.

You "proved" far too much. Wealthy is a proxy for everything, including being able to apply to dozens of schools instead of 1, and not need the ED boost.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still only #12 school in country

Sounds like your IQ.

What an immature response!

UVA uses ED

Anonymous wrote:Schools that do two ED rounds are CMU, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WashU - Chicago belongs to this group. USNews elevated it for years but it is in no way a first choice for top students. It is good choice for private school kids who want to be at a good private but do not have the grades to get into any ivies or Duke etc.

It's not so much grades that you need to get into an Ivy but a hook. Any of the schools you mentioned will need top grades at a minimum.

Schools that do two ED rounds are CMU, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, WashU - Chicago belongs to this group. USNews elevated it for years but it is in no way a first choice for top students. It is good choice for private school kids who want to be at a good private but do not have the grades to get into any ivies or Duke etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is wealth related to ED?

They are committed to a school before knowing what their financial aid is, if any.

They can't shop merit aid across schools.
Many students families are committing to paying sticker price.

Nobody hoping to get into UChicago, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Swarthmore, ... you get it, top university or liberal arts college is going to get merit aid. You can easily go on the net price calculator and see how much it's going to cost unless you own a business and are not a regular salary worker. We did this. It should be possible to go through the following mental exercise - if I got into the University of Maryland full ride (still paying room and board), would I choose to go to Maryland or Uchicago? If I got into Juniata at $20,000 per year, and the net price calculator says Uchicago is going to be $32,000 where would I go? If at the end of that math, the choice is UChicago, then increase your odds and go ED. We did this. We were not a full pay family - paid about half the tuition rate, and the net price calculator was spot on. What "need to shop around" means to me is either 1) you have a hard cap on what you can afford, and you literally would never choose UChicago because it exceeds that price, or 2) you haven't done the hard work of thinking it through, or 3) you wouldn't choose UChicago in some of the scenarios I listed above, and then rightly so, it is not your first choice.

Anonymous wrote:The schools I see using ED are UChicago, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Swarthmore, Williams, etc. Looks like those that compete with the HYPS on "quality" but know they don't quite have the brand appeal.

We have received mail from all of these. If I were to add up how much they spent on stamps it would be

Chicago
Johns Hopkins
Carnegie Mellon
Swarthmore
Williams

From the HYPS it has only been Harvard and Yale. They were nice brochures but just one each. It almost felt like a wedding invitation from someone that doesn't actually expect you to show up?

The schools I see using ED are UChicago, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Swarthmore, Williams, etc. Looks like those that compete with the HYPS on "quality" but know they don't quite have the brand appeal.

It’s still a very attractive school for very brainy and serious kids even if most come in through ED.

By manipulating their yield numbers Uchicago reveals that it is an insecure school at best. To play in main league it needs to get rid of atleast one ED and stop playing cheap tricks.

People need to realize that all the rankings, even though they contain numbers, do not represent precise & significant differences.

Some people are actually believing that the #8 school is “better” than the #13 school. It’s like saying that a Ferrari that goes 220 mph is better than a Lamborghini that only goes 218 mph. Minor quantitative differences do not reveal significant qualitative differences.

Anonymous wrote:How is wealth related to ED?

There is typically a connection between wealth and students having the opportunity to visit schools and know what their #1 choice.
To have your college application done in October of your Senior year means that you had advising (wealth) to guide you through the process and help you stay on top of deadlines to get things done early.

It is not a perfect proxy - but it is close.

Uchicago only accepts through ED1 and ED2, plus only accepts those kids who agree to sign the ED contract to get off its waitlist in RD. Uchicago is not in the same league as HYPMS which don't have ED and their yield is dependent on kids choosing these schools despite having other options. This is why many people don't like Uchicago because of all the games it plays.

Anonymous wrote:How is wealth related to ED?

You're either poor enough that the school is almost free (full need met) or rich enough that you can afford 85k a year. Anyone in between isn't applying ED