Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 13:40     Subject: Re:7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:6th Grade AAP teacher here. I have students come back and state Math 7 Honors is too easy. I personally feel there should be four options.

Algebra 1
7Honors for kids who got 7th grade math in 6th so more extensions are possible.

7Honors for kids skipping 7th grade math

7Regular

There is a real push from the county to have more kids in at least one honors class and for all kids to take Algebra 1 in 8th.




Interesting considering majority of kids aren’t testing as proficient in grade level math as it is- only 26% of 8th graders tested proficient nationally last yr


Yes, I don’t see how they can expect all 8th graders to take Algebra 1. I know I’m old, but when I was in 8th grade Algebra 1 was the most advanced class available, and in my high school there were still juniors and seniors taking Algebra 1.
Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 13:20     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately she was formally diagnosed with ADHD only last summer, i.e. right after the IAAT was administered in 6th grade. I will certainly explore the 504 moving forward, but at this point I am not sure if a request to be placed in Algebra 1 after during the 1st quarter can even be made.?


Did you try to appeal the original decision over the summer? That's usually the process.


I would if I had the ADHD results back then, unfortunately these took some time to be communicated to us by the health provider.

Anonymous wrote:500 = Advanced SOL 7 qualifies for Algebra.

The IAAT percentile is the screener so shouldn't be more relevant than the actual SOL.

Talk to the math teacher and principal.
Current teacher should be able to vouch.


So is the IAAT just a screener but not a requirement?

Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is passionate about math, I would leave it be. AP precalc in 11 and AP Calc BC in 12th is already a challenging schedule. Yes, your kid would probably do fine in Alg 1, but the extra acceleration isn’t necessary.


She is currently getting a bit bored in class and she really wants to go to Alg1 herself, its not me pushing her.


The IAAT is not just a screener, it is a requirement. Some schools will reconsider students and place them in Algebra if they have a high SOL score but just miss the 91st percentile on the IOWA, but the time to ask about that would have been over the summer. You could talk to the principal, but you are probably out of luck.
Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 12:01     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.


DP. Name-calling doesn't help anything. Your DC may be doing fine in their classes but your DC is a different child than OP's DC. Should OP's DC be taking AP Calc (AB? BC?) in 10th grade? Not with that IAAT score. Without big changes, OP's DC seems to be in the correct placement. (And some ADHD kids hyperfocus but not all - and certainly not all on math.)

PP made the blanket statement that no child with ADHD should be in advanced math. Only an ableist idiot would make such a blanket statement. OP’s DD will be taking algebra in 8th, which is still accelerated and apparently verboten to PP.
Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 11:55     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.


DP. Name-calling doesn't help anything. Your DC may be doing fine in their classes but your DC is a different child than OP's DC. Should OP's DC be taking AP Calc (AB? BC?) in 10th grade? Not with that IAAT score. Without big changes, OP's DC seems to be in the correct placement. (And some ADHD kids hyperfocus but not all - and certainly not all on math.)
Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 11:50     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.

You're an ableist idiot. My kid has ADHD and anxiety. They're in AP calc in 10th grade with straight As throughout and with no extra time accommodations. They also got a 98th percentile on the IAAT with no accommodations. Many ADHD kids hyperfocus, especially when they find the material interesting.
Anonymous
Post 10/22/2023 11:29     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader got 80 at IAAT last year and advanced score in Math7 SOL.

My kid is very strong at math, the only thing is that she works slower than other kids because of ADHD. That was the reason she didn't pass the 91 in IAAT which is very fast paced standardized test (and therefore in my opinion, it shouldn't be the only metric to determine if a kid can be placed in Algebra 1 next year).

Regardless she started with Math 7 HN this year and the material looks very easy to her. She has perfect scores so far and the teacher goes back all the time to review material from Math 7 as some kids are not AAP in the class. She also says that the material is not challenging and that she would rather be in Algebra 1.

Is there a way to request to be bumped to Algebra 1 at this stage, given that she nearly missed the bar because of her ADHD?

If your child has a learning disability such as ADHD they should not be in accelerated math classes, period.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 23:52     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ADHD kids overperform relative to where timed aptitude tests would place them.

But also they underperform based on untimed aptitude tests. ADHD makes things hard.


OP here. I'm sorry but my understanding is the exact opposite, at least in my kid's case.
She was evaluated by a healthcare professional and the result was that her ADHD is a barrier for time-sensitive assignments.


DP. Reread the post, that's what the PP is saying. The current placement is too easy for your DC. But the next level will be too hard. And it's not worth it for math - don't do that to your DC.

On another thread on this forum, someone said don't push 2e kids too far or too fast. They may have a high IQ but the deficits of EF or working memory or processing speed are real.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 23:12     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
As a thought...if she joins the Algebra class now, so late in the semester, she will already have missed a lot of concepts, making it hard for her to learn and do the new ones...
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 22:36     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:ADHD kids overperform relative to where timed aptitude tests would place them.

But also they underperform based on untimed aptitude tests. ADHD makes things hard.


OP here. I'm sorry but my understanding is the exact opposite, at least in my kid's case.
She was evaluated by a healthcare professional and the result was that her ADHD is a barrier for time-sensitive assignments.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 22:04     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
ADHD kids overperform relative to where timed aptitude tests would place them.

But also they underperform based on untimed aptitude tests. ADHD makes things hard.

And the board's general opinion is that a kid who scraped through with a 91 probably shouldn't take Algebra I as a 7th grader.

I wouldn't worry too much about your kid's placement, and barring something you haven't told us -- e.g. she already completed, with flying colors, AOPS's pre-algebra class and is midway though Algebra, I would advise not pushing her into Algebra I.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 20:06     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about ow FCPS used PERCENTILE not KNOWLEDGE for Algebra qualification?! That's insane!


The IAAT is an indicator of whether the student will be able to keep up or will get bogged down. Knowledge is good, so is fluency.


The IAAT percentile is ranking of student performance, not a measurement of fluency or anything else


It's a normed percentile. OP's DC wasn't graded on her class's curve.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 20:05     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
OP, do the Khan Academy course challenge for Math 8 /Prealgebra and and Algebra.

If Prealgebra is a breeze and half of Algebra is doable, fight for an upgrade.

But if your child doesn't love studying practicing math at home, don't accelerate, because math gets harder later.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 20:02     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about ow FCPS used PERCENTILE not KNOWLEDGE for Algebra qualification?! That's insane!


The IAAT is an indicator of whether the student will be able to keep up or will get bogged down. Knowledge is good, so is fluency.


The IAAT percentile is ranking of student performance, not a measurement of fluency or anything else


Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 19:47     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Just chill. We are barely one quarter in. Things will likely ramp up.
Anonymous
Post 10/21/2023 19:29     Subject: 7th grade Math 7HN -> Algebra 1
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Unless your child is passionate about math, I would leave it be. AP precalc in 11 and AP Calc BC in 12th is already a challenging schedule. Yes, your kid would probably do fine in Alg 1, but the extra acceleration isn’t necessary.


There is such thing as AP precalc?


It's a new class (and ridiculous, if AP classes are supposed to be college level classes).