Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack

This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired

Well also, activists eat their own. Before 2020, I was a progressive liberal. Then I heard a series of messages about how I am intrinsically and irreversibly evil because I'm a white lady. I'm not progressive anymore. I think I'm still liberal in the classic sense of the word. But I'm not into the Sartre garbage that the west must participate in its own demise in order to reverse colonialism. No thank you.

I underwent a similar transition after 2020. I really don’t know what I am now.

As a Jew, I am absolutely worried about being doxxed if I attended a rally in support of Israel. I’m frankly gobsmacked at the level of antisemitism that has been displayed right here in DC and in NYC these last couple weeks, and I think every Jew in America now has very good reason to fear for their safety.

Anonymous wrote:It's not a crime, OP has that wrong. It's about billionaires taking umbrage at your position and doxing you so you can't get a job later.

My daughter is in college and protesting. She knows full well the consequences and has chosen to speak up anyway. She is worried her job offer could be rescinded and she is not wrong to worry. However, it is what it is and if she feels strongly enough about this, she has to be willing to deal. She is still enormously lucky that while she might have real world consequences, they are relatively mild in the grand scheme of things. Nobody is imprisoning her. Nobody is beating her up.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack

This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired

Well also, activists eat their own. Before 2020, I was a progressive liberal. Then I heard a series of messages about how I am intrinsically and irreversibly evil because I'm a white lady. I'm not progressive anymore. I think I'm still liberal in the classic sense of the word. But I'm not into the Sartre garbage that the west must participate in its own demise in order to reverse colonialism. No thank you.

Yeah well there's always going to be a handful of dumb fringe extremists out there.

But here's the thing - we can both remain progressive liberal, remain activists, but ALSO be under no obligation to defer to or respect the jerks who want to demonize someone just for what family, circumstance or skin color they were born into. Nor do we need to listen to the nihilists and anarchists who want to see everything burn before we can make progress. Seems to me the far right has the same problems in many of those regards.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Crime? Can you cite which crime is being committed?

If you are oblivious to human suffering then there is nothing to discuss.

You need to learn to read.

There is nothing criminal about protesting in the US. Hell, we suspended Covid protocols for the summer of love.

This is a really dumb comment. No protocols were suspended. The difference was that the protests were outside and didn't involve having people packed together indoors in a poorly ventilated space like a classroom. Can we please put a stake in this and every other dumb right wing comment that outlasted any worth long ago?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems both Jewish and Muslims Americans are afraid of attending any rally to support Israeli and Palestinian people due to real incidences and conspiracy stories of backlash for doing so. Since when activism to support victims became a crime here in United States? Do we not stand for freedom of speech anymore? Why people are instantly labeled as antisemite or anti human rights if they speak about a need to end atrocities happening on both sides?

Don’t stand with a sign supporting a new Holocaust or explicitly supporting Hamas’ 10/7 attack and you should be fine.

I have no problem identifying people calling for Jewish genocide. If that’s what you believe, you should be identified.

I'm extremely on the side of Israel in this fight. But, I also think a lot of the colleges students holding antisemitic signs in those pro Palestine protests are young idiots whose brains haven't fully formed. So I'm not terribly anxious to identify them.

A lot of the pictures I’ve seen of people holding pro-Holocaust signs (eg the one with the Star of David in a trash can saying “cleanse the world”) look like full grown adults. They can face the consequences.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems both Jewish and Muslims Americans are afraid of attending any rally to support Israeli and Palestinian people due to real incidences and conspiracy stories of backlash for doing so. Since when activism to support victims became a crime here in United States? Do we not stand for freedom of speech anymore? Why people are instantly labeled as antisemite or anti human rights if they speak about a need to end atrocities happening on both sides?

Don’t stand with a sign supporting a new Holocaust or explicitly supporting Hamas’ 10/7 attack and you should be fine.

I have no problem identifying people calling for Jewish genocide. If that’s what you believe, you should be identified.

I'm extremely on the side of Israel in this fight. But, I also think a lot of the colleges students holding antisemitic signs in those pro Palestine protests are young idiots whose brains haven't fully formed. So I'm not terribly anxious to identify them.

Anonymous wrote:Crime here is being used in original post as a social crime, not a legal one. People are getting marked and labeled.

As they should be.

You have opinions. Fine.

You want to express those opinions publicly. Also fine.

Other people find those opinions repugnant and choose to dissociate from you?

Equally fine.

Anonymous wrote:It seems both Jewish and Muslims Americans are afraid of attending any rally to support Israeli and Palestinian people due to real incidences and conspiracy stories of backlash for doing so. Since when activism to support victims became a crime here in United States? Do we not stand for freedom of speech anymore? Why people are instantly labeled as antisemite or anti human rights if they speak about a need to end atrocities happening on both sides?

Don’t stand with a sign supporting a new Holocaust or explicitly supporting Hamas’ 10/7 attack and you should be fine.

I have no problem identifying people calling for Jewish genocide. If that’s what you believe, you should be identified.

After attending the Women’s March, I will never attend a protest again unless I know exactly who the organizers are and whether there is any message discipline. The last thing I want is to go to a “vigil for peace” and end up with a crowd of idiot college students shouting “from the river to the sea.” Similarly I would not want to go to a pro-Israel protest unless I knew the exact organizations sponsoring and their positions.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack

This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired

Well also, activists eat their own. Before 2020, I was a progressive liberal. Then I heard a series of messages about how I am intrinsically and irreversibly evil because I'm a white lady. I'm not progressive anymore. I think I'm still liberal in the classic sense of the word. But I'm not into the Sartre garbage that the west must participate in its own demise in order to reverse colonialism. No thank you.

Anonymous wrote:It's ultimately really stupid to bring this issue up on social media or attend a rally for either side. You inevitably say something that is interpreted as offensive by someone and the easiest course of action your employer can take is to fire you. Know someone who went through law school then lost their first job posting about a Hamas terror attack

This is true. People are waking up to the fact that they can’t really change anything but can easily get fired

Amid mass layoffs, BU Center for Antiracist Research accused of mismanagement of funds, disorganization

Boston University hired Ibram X. Kendi to lead its new Center for Antiracist Research in 2020, a year marked by a global pandemic and nationwide racial tension.

Three years later, after at least $43 million in grants and gifts and what sources say has been an underwhelming output of research, the Center for Antiracist Research laid off almost all of its staff last week.

Multiple former staff members allege that a mismanagement of funds, high turnover rate and general disorganization have plagued the Center since its inception.

The $43 million, according to 2021 budget records obtained by The Daily Free Press, includes general support, such as the $10 million from Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey, as well as donations for specific projects.

continues: https://dailyfreepress.com/2023/09/21/amid-mass-layoffs-bu-center-for-antiracist-research-accused-of-mismanagement-of-funds-disorganization/

Anonymous wrote:It's so odd to me that you think that standing on the side of killing 1300 people is ok and no one should be cancelled but that it's fine to get someone fired for getting videos acting like a jerk on a plane for instance.

Exactly this. A pregnant physician assistant lost and her job and went to hiding for her safety for simply standing up to some racists hood rats.
But well educated, privileged ivy students who take the side of a terrorist group that supports genocide and eradication of jews should face zero consequences or heaven forbid getting their character questioned because, well they are the elite of the elite progressives.

Anonymous wrote:Crime here is being used in original post as a social crime, not a legal one. People are getting marked and labeled.

What good has activism done lately?

It's fake and cringe.