Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 11:10     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
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Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade


Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.


My kid just finished a group project where two of them had to do the work for the two slackers they were assigned to work with. The grade counted for 30% of 65% percent of their grade thanks to the new FCPS grading system.


So, it counted for 19.5%?



Human calculator over here!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 11:10     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
I don't care as long as my child is doing all the work and doing a good job. No point in complaining. I do care when another child controls it and does a bad job. We had one child where everyone worked on the project, she made some really bad edits and her writing was terrible and then she locked the project online so we could not correct it and went to the teacher saying she was the only one who worked on it (of course she locked it so we couldn't see who worked on it/accessed the document). We had our child 100% redo the assignment and let the teacher handle it but I'd rather my kid do a ton of work vs. more group projects.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 11:08     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


You know who would be a great person to pose this question to?

The person who invented the assignment and made the rules.

It sounds like your daughter needs this group project because she doesn't know how to deal effectively in an environment with other people.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:55     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


The lesson is that the kid who cares most learns that with enough time and efforts tasks intended for a group can be accomplished by one person. Group projects are a way to bring up slackers' grades by pairing them with kids who teachers know will do what they need to for a good grade


Give me a break, nobody is exploiting OP’s precious child’s work. How much does the group project even counts for the grade, 10%? It matters little for the fuss op is making. They are usually easy enough that a motivated student just dies is with ease. The issue is OP thinks her child is taking advantage of.


My kid just finished a group project where two of them had to do the work for the two slackers they were assigned to work with. The grade counted for 30% of 65% percent of their grade thanks to the new FCPS grading system.


So, it counted for 19.5%?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:52     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
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It would be hilarious if the “slackers” will get a better grade though. Maybe they don’t do the group project because they focus on individual homework and preparation for the tests. I’ve seen it happening!


That’s nothing to be proud off. They are parasites who’s grade percentage from the group project they stole credit from the kids who did the actual work.

Their final grade included the group project
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:50     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:Group work is fine when it's evaluated correctly. The teacher should be making sure that everyone has a role and a responsibility. The teacher should be grading on a rubric based on the roles and responsibilities. Kids need to learn that sometimes tasks can't be accomplished by one person, and often that lesson is learned when they completely and utterly fail to get it done when they don't work together. A good grading policy would be individual grading for the project itself base on successful completion of roles and responsibilities and then incentive for the whole group for successfully completing the project.


I’m a former professor, and my group projects always had individual grades. No one was disadvantaged by others lack of participation, and believe me I knew who was and wasn’t pulling their weight. I also allowed sufficient time in class that most groups could complete the work there so that I was accessible and could keep an eye on things. My current HS junior just had an APUSH project run similarly. She hates the group aspect but appreciated that there was no out of class component, since having the teacher looking over their shoulders kept everyone relatively on track.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:39     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
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Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?


Yeah, but I don’t go complain to mommy who then turns to DCUM to vent and get advice. The daughter is in high school, by now she should be fine handling the school work on her own. Land that helicopter already!


I don’t need to land the helicopter. My kid actually does the work on her own as a sophomore. I suspect that you are the type of parent who has never been involved. You think you have a great student but you don’t. Your kid is a slacker and not AAP/AP material which is why you troll this board. I’m allowed to vent on this board. 99% of the posts are people venting in case you haven’t noticed.


What AP is this, what is the assignment? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn’t matter compared to getting a 5 in the AP exam. You can use your energy for a better cause.


Are you saying that GPA matters less than the AP exam?


Yes.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:38     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
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Anonymous wrote:What’s the problem? The daughter is getting a low grade because the other kids don’t do their part, or that the slackers will get a high grade based on your child’s work?

Are you asking for advice on going to the teacher or it’s just a vent?


The problem is that one or two kids in a group project shouldn’t have to choose between doing all the work themselves or accepting a low grade. I know your type at work, slacker.


So you want advice on how to approach the teacher or just have people pity your daughters unfair situation?


Did you read the post?


Then tell her to go to the teacher and say she doesn’t want to be part of this group because she’s doing all the work. Most likely it will be a whining nuisance to her.

It would be hilarious if the “slackers” will get a better grade though. Maybe they don’t do the group project because they focus on individual homework and preparation for the tests. I’ve seen it happening!
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:36     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?


Yeah, but I don’t go complain to mommy who then turns to DCUM to vent and get advice. The daughter is in high school, by now she should be fine handling the school work on her own. Land that helicopter already!


I don’t need to land the helicopter. My kid actually does the work on her own as a sophomore. I suspect that you are the type of parent who has never been involved. You think you have a great student but you don’t. Your kid is a slacker and not AAP/AP material which is why you troll this board. I’m allowed to vent on this board. 99% of the posts are people venting in case you haven’t noticed.


What AP is this, what is the assignment? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn’t matter compared to getting a 5 in the AP exam. You can use your energy for a better cause.


Are you saying that GPA matters less than the AP exam?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:34     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?


Yeah, but I don’t go complain to mommy who then turns to DCUM to vent and get advice. The daughter is in high school, by now she should be fine handling the school work on her own. Land that helicopter already!


I don’t need to land the helicopter. My kid actually does the work on her own as a sophomore. I suspect that you are the type of parent who has never been involved. You think you have a great student but you don’t. Your kid is a slacker and not AAP/AP material which is why you troll this board. I’m allowed to vent on this board. 99% of the posts are people venting in case you haven’t noticed.


What AP is this, what is the assignment? In the grand scheme of things it probably doesn’t matter compared to getting a 5 in the AP exam. You can use your energy for a better cause.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:32     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What’s the problem? The daughter is getting a low grade because the other kids don’t do their part, or that the slackers will get a high grade based on your child’s work?

Are you asking for advice on going to the teacher or it’s just a vent?


The problem is that one or two kids in a group project shouldn’t have to choose between doing all the work themselves or accepting a low grade. I know your type at work, slacker.


So you want advice on how to approach the teacher or just have people pity your daughters unfair situation?


Did you read the post?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:30     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What’s the problem? The daughter is getting a low grade because the other kids don’t do their part, or that the slackers will get a high grade based on your child’s work?

Are you asking for advice on going to the teacher or it’s just a vent?


The problem is that one or two kids in a group project shouldn’t have to choose between doing all the work themselves or accepting a low grade. I know your type at work, slacker.


So you want advice on how to approach the teacher or just have people pity your daughters unfair situation?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:27     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not only does DD need to manage her own work but she needs to manage three other students in her AP class who have no interest in doing the actual work. At what point does she go to the teacher? Or her counselor?


What do you mean she’s “managing” other three students? Seems doubtful that all three students in an AP class have no interest in doing the actual work, can you give more details? Go to the teacher to do what, change groups, give her heads up the project will suck? What would going to the counselor accomplish, since she’s not teaching the class?

The entire post seems like a big whine.


You’ve never been on a group project where one person has to pull the rest of the team along? Really?


Yeah, but I don’t go complain to mommy who then turns to DCUM to vent and get advice. The daughter is in high school, by now she should be fine handling the school work on her own. Land that helicopter already!


I don’t need to land the helicopter. My kid actually does the work on her own as a sophomore. I suspect that you are the type of parent who has never been involved. You think you have a great student but you don’t. Your kid is a slacker and not AAP/AP material which is why you troll this board. I’m allowed to vent on this board. 99% of the posts are people venting in case you haven’t noticed.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:23     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
Anonymous wrote:What’s the problem? The daughter is getting a low grade because the other kids don’t do their part, or that the slackers will get a high grade based on your child’s work?

Are you asking for advice on going to the teacher or it’s just a vent?


The problem is that one or two kids in a group project shouldn’t have to choose between doing all the work themselves or accepting a low grade. I know your type at work, slacker.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2023 10:14     Subject: Stop with the group projects!
What’s the problem? The daughter is getting a low grade because the other kids don’t do their part, or that the slackers will get a high grade based on your child’s work?

Are you asking for advice on going to the teacher or it’s just a vent?