Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:14
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:The reason we are here is that Biden disengaged from Trump's Abraham Accords bc he wanted to punish Saudi Arabia and resume the JCPOA.
Then a couple years later, he abruptly changed his minds and attempted to restart the Abraham Accord, which obviously pissed off Iran.
This was wildly destabilizing.
Wait, so on the one hand Biden "gave" Iran 6 billion dollars and on the other hand, Biden pissed Iran off. I don't think you get how deep the rift between the Palestinians and Israeli's run, and that this action by Hamas had been in the works for much longer than any of the catylists you are suggesting.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:13
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
If Trump was in office now, he would’ve been extorting Israel for something. That’s his MO.
Remember when he tried to extort Zalensky for election help and dirt on the Biden’s? The event that allowed Trump to make the extortion threat was Russia cementing Donbass.
Remember when he tried to extort Zalensky for election help and dirt on the Biden’s? The event that allowed Trump to make the extortion threat was Russia cementing Donbass.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:11
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, let's just wait and see if some of the intelligence Trump gave to foreign governments helped this war along.
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If maga are going to complain about the ongoing world poop show, they should at least be aware that Trump probably sold (or unwittingly gave away) the documents that made it all happen.
This is a silly argument. Biden and Pence had carelessly stored classified documents. It reads as a political hit
Biden and Pence both notified the authorities immediately, allowed the to go through the complete libraries to ensure anything else was identified and returned, and both have sat for multiple on the record interviews with the FBI over the matters. Trump on the other hand, ordered people to obstruct and delay. In other words, two of the three people acted in a manner that suggests inadvertent and "mistake" actions, whereas the other displayed the actions of someone who was trying to hide something. But sure, they are all the same.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:10
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
The reason we are here is that Biden disengaged from Trump's Abraham Accords bc he wanted to punish Saudi Arabia and resume the JCPOA.
Then a couple years later, he abruptly changed his minds and attempted to restart the Abraham Accord, which obviously pissed off Iran.
This was wildly destabilizing.
Then a couple years later, he abruptly changed his minds and attempted to restart the Abraham Accord, which obviously pissed off Iran.
This was wildly destabilizing.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:08
Subject: Re:It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Look, I know it's hard for some posters on here to be pragmatic.
The Biden administration gave Iran billions. What did Iran next do? Sponsor a breathtakingly brutal massacre of Israelis. I can't even bring myself to read the full accounts and I know most of you won't either but I've seen enough that it makes me weep.
Turnip, flawed and warts and all that, called out Iran an enemy and was blasted globally for it, especially after the Obama administration's movements at defusing tensions with appeasement to Iran's leaders. But perhaps Turnip was right after all. Biden's money to Iran was part of that Obama policy that should have never happened.
It doesn't escape even my notice that Turnip's foreign policy was maybe not that bad. He told Germany not to build the Nord Stream pipeline because it would make them dependent on Russia, and look what happened after all.
No matter how you spin it, the world was at more peace under the Trump years. We had the Abrahamic accords breakthrough between Israel and the various Arab countries, although that is probably going to die soon. A real shame. We didn't have the Ukrainian invasion. And domestically, we didn't have a weird inaction that can only be deliberate over the Texas border and illegal migration.
Many people who normally don't like Trump are noticing all this. Including me.
1) the money Biden "gave" is still where it is, with tight controls over how it was spent
2) this attack was clearly planned for months, and probably years, likely using the Intel Trump gave to the Russians, who likely then shared it with their allies in Iran and with Hamas.
3) The world was more at "peace" with greater threats from authoritarians. Trump GAVE China the control of the South China Sea, he pulled the US out of the TPP and traded favors with China for personal family gain
4) Trump allowed North Korea and Iran to fund and grow their nuclear programs, despite what you seem to believe.
5) Trump GAVE Donbas in Ukraine to Putin allowing Russia to entrench further into Ukraine under his presidency.
6) Trump encouraged the leadership in Brazil and Venezuela to further consolidate an anti-democratic rule. In Brazil, this resulted in the destruction of millions of acres of Amazon rain forest, and the result in Venezuela are materially impacting who is getting into our southern border today.
7) Trump allowed the instrument of state to literally blackmail Qatar into bailing out his son in law of the 666 Park Avenue project to the tune of billions of dollars.
I could go on, but no, Trump did not make the world a better place, unless you are on the side of Authoritariansim, and Trump simply wanted to join the club.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 07:01
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Was just reading Biden's statement on Israel/ Hamas and thinking - it's EXACTLY these times that Trump would have gone bananas and done something batsh*t.
You mean like hold up 300 military and key ambassador appointments, have a leaderless branch of government and pass intel secrets on to our adversaries?
Ya, it is like today's GOP isn't just following Trump's lead.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 06:56
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Well, let's just wait and see if some of the intelligence Trump gave to foreign governments helped this war along.
x1000000
If maga are going to complain about the ongoing world poop show, they should at least be aware that Trump probably sold (or unwittingly gave away) the documents that made it all happen.
This is a silly argument. Biden and Pence had carelessly stored classified documents. It reads as a political hit
Anonymous
10/10/2023 06:52
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Well, let's just wait and see if some of the intelligence Trump gave to foreign governments helped this war along.
x1000000
If maga are going to complain about the ongoing world poop show, they should at least be aware that Trump probably sold (or unwittingly gave away) the documents that made it all happen.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 06:28
Subject: Re:It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Look, I know it's hard for some posters on here to be pragmatic.
The Biden administration gave Iran billions. What did Iran next do? Sponsor a breathtakingly brutal massacre of Israelis. I can't even bring myself to read the full accounts and I know most of you won't either but I've seen enough that it makes me weep.
Turnip, flawed and warts and all that, called out Iran an enemy and was blasted globally for it, especially after the Obama administration's movements at defusing tensions with appeasement to Iran's leaders. But perhaps Turnip was right after all. Biden's money to Iran was part of that Obama policy that should have never happened.
It doesn't escape even my notice that Turnip's foreign policy was maybe not that bad. He told Germany not to build the Nord Stream pipeline because it would make them dependent on Russia, and look what happened after all.
No matter how you spin it, the world was at more peace under the Trump years. We had the Abrahamic accords breakthrough between Israel and the various Arab countries, although that is probably going to die soon. A real shame. We didn't have the Ukrainian invasion. And domestically, we didn't have a weird inaction that can only be deliberate over the Texas border and illegal migration.
Many people who normally don't like Trump are noticing all this. Including me.
The Biden administration gave Iran billions. What did Iran next do? Sponsor a breathtakingly brutal massacre of Israelis. I can't even bring myself to read the full accounts and I know most of you won't either but I've seen enough that it makes me weep.
Turnip, flawed and warts and all that, called out Iran an enemy and was blasted globally for it, especially after the Obama administration's movements at defusing tensions with appeasement to Iran's leaders. But perhaps Turnip was right after all. Biden's money to Iran was part of that Obama policy that should have never happened.
It doesn't escape even my notice that Turnip's foreign policy was maybe not that bad. He told Germany not to build the Nord Stream pipeline because it would make them dependent on Russia, and look what happened after all.
No matter how you spin it, the world was at more peace under the Trump years. We had the Abrahamic accords breakthrough between Israel and the various Arab countries, although that is probably going to die soon. A real shame. We didn't have the Ukrainian invasion. And domestically, we didn't have a weird inaction that can only be deliberate over the Texas border and illegal migration.
Many people who normally don't like Trump are noticing all this. Including me.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 00:29
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Im a dem and formerly on the hill and worked on campaigns
You guys are crazy if you think this looks good for Biden vs trump
You can hypothesize all you want about what Trump would’ve done but the fact is under Biden we have the longest land war in Europe since ww2 and now a week after his NSA said all is chill in the ME, everything breaks.
Voters are absolutely gonna look and say “none of this stuff happened under Trump. World is going crazy under Biden. Bring Trump back”
You are way too head—in-the-sand if you don’t think your median MI.WI,PA voter is just making that one connection in their head
You’re a MAGA hack. Please quote the NSA in his entirety.
Even Atlantic is roasting Jake Sullivan
Anonymous
10/10/2023 00:26
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Yes I was thanking God Trump is not a part of this.
+100000
Anonymous
10/10/2023 00:25
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Im a dem and formerly on the hill and worked on campaigns
You guys are crazy if you think this looks good for Biden vs trump
You can hypothesize all you want about what Trump would’ve done but the fact is under Biden we have the longest land war in Europe since ww2 and now a week after his NSA said all is chill in the ME, everything breaks.
Voters are absolutely gonna look and say “none of this stuff happened under Trump. World is going crazy under Biden. Bring Trump back”
You are way too head—in-the-sand if you don’t think your median MI.WI,PA voter is just making that one connection in their head
You’re a MAGA hack. Please quote the NSA in his entirety.
Anonymous
10/10/2023 00:03
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Im a dem and formerly on the hill and worked on campaigns
You guys are crazy if you think this looks good for Biden vs trump
You can hypothesize all you want about what Trump would’ve done but the fact is under Biden we have the longest land war in Europe since ww2 and now a week after his NSA said all is chill in the ME, everything breaks.
Voters are absolutely gonna look and say “none of this stuff happened under Trump. World is going crazy under Biden. Bring Trump back”
You are way too head—in-the-sand if you don’t think your median MI.WI,PA voter is just making that one connection in their head
Presidential elections have never been
won or lost on foreign policy, and Michigan and Pennsylvania haven’t been winnable for Republicans since that one day in 2016. But yes please tell us more about your vast Hill expertise.
Anonymous
10/09/2023 23:58
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.
Now the know America will do nothing.
+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.
Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.
How? Why?
Anonymous
10/09/2023 23:56
Subject: It's exactly times like this that you know if Trump were still president he'd do something wildly destabilizing
Im a dem and formerly on the hill and worked on campaigns
You guys are crazy if you think this looks good for Biden vs trump
You can hypothesize all you want about what Trump would’ve done but the fact is under Biden we have the longest land war in Europe since ww2 and now a week after his NSA said all is chill in the ME, everything breaks.
Voters are absolutely gonna look and say “none of this stuff happened under Trump. World is going crazy under Biden. Bring Trump back”
You are way too head—in-the-sand if you don’t think your median MI.WI,PA voter is just making that one connection in their head
You guys are crazy if you think this looks good for Biden vs trump
You can hypothesize all you want about what Trump would’ve done but the fact is under Biden we have the longest land war in Europe since ww2 and now a week after his NSA said all is chill in the ME, everything breaks.
Voters are absolutely gonna look and say “none of this stuff happened under Trump. World is going crazy under Biden. Bring Trump back”
You are way too head—in-the-sand if you don’t think your median MI.WI,PA voter is just making that one connection in their head