Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:54     Subject: HS JV soccer

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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.


The coaches don't care if the kid will play for UNC if they aren't suited to their system, although I doubt a kid good enough to play for UNC was cut (they presumably have more fitness and strength than other kids on the team) unless they had a terrible attitude


Come on! It happens all.of.the.time. Nepotism and politics is even more rampant in HS than club.


A player recruited to play at UNC will be faster and have a stronger foot than any other kid at tryouts. They may be technical, but they are also perfectly suited to kick and run. Unless they have a terrible attitude. No coach wants to hear what then should be doing from a player. Screaming nepotism and politics is an excuse for your kid getting cut or benched- most coaches do not have full rosters worth of kids they have personal connections to every year throughout a multi-decade career


Believe what you want to believe.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:49     Subject: HS JV soccer

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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.


The coaches don't care if the kid will play for UNC if they aren't suited to their system, although I doubt a kid good enough to play for UNC was cut (they presumably have more fitness and strength than other kids on the team) unless they had a terrible attitude


Come on! It happens all.of.the.time. Nepotism and politics is even more rampant in HS than club.


A player recruited to play at UNC will be faster and have a stronger foot than any other kid at tryouts. They may be technical, but they are also perfectly suited to kick and run. Unless they have a terrible attitude. No coach wants to hear what then should be doing from a player. Screaming nepotism and politics is an excuse for your kid getting cut or benched- most coaches do not have full rosters worth of kids they have personal connections to every year throughout a multi-decade career
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:48     Subject: HS JV soccer

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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.


The coaches don't care if the kid will play for UNC if they aren't suited to their system, although I doubt a kid good enough to play for UNC was cut (they presumably have more fitness and strength than other kids on the team) unless they had a terrible attitude


Come on! It happens all.of.the.time. Nepotism and politics is even more rampant in HS than club.


We have several boys that did not make the HS team or were cut in later years playing in college programs, very few of the kids that played HS all 4 years played post-HS.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:46     Subject: HS JV soccer

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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.


The coaches don't care if the kid will play for UNC if they aren't suited to their system, although I doubt a kid good enough to play for UNC was cut (they presumably have more fitness and strength than other kids on the team) unless they had a terrible attitude


Come on! It happens all.of.the.time. Nepotism and politics is even more rampant in HS than club.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:33     Subject: HS JV soccer

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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.


The coaches don't care if the kid will play for UNC if they aren't suited to their system, although I doubt a kid good enough to play for UNC was cut (they presumably have more fitness and strength than other kids on the team) unless they had a terrible attitude
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:30     Subject: HS JV soccer

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.


That's fine if your kid then goes onto play for UNC. My neighbor's daughter gets a kick out of it now. It wasn't 'so fun' when it was happening.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:28     Subject: Re:HS JV soccer

The best players at our high school do not play high school soccer.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:27     Subject: HS JV soccer

Anonymous wrote:A lot of MCPS HS JV teams don’t get or have enough good players. In addition, JV coaches allocates playing time almost equally amongst the players (ie like Rec.). They try to focus on development rather than wins (so they say). If a JV player shows potential, they have an opportunity to move up to varsity during the season.

HS varsity coaches play the best players for wins. There’s no guarantee of playing time. On the girls side of MCPS HS varsity soccer, the good teams (QO, Whitman, etc.) do possession-type soccer while the bad ones continue to do kick-ball. Coaches can only use tactics based on the skillsets of their players.

Not all MCPS HS are created equally. Some have a large soccer/student population to choose from based on the size and location of the school. Certain areas of MCPS has a consistent amount of ECNL/EPD players from year to year, while others do not.

I have a DD in varsity soccer, so I can only speak to girls JV and varsity soccer. I don’t have a DS.


Yes and if you are a very skilled player in a group of kick ballers, you will ride the bench.

Once you know what your high school team values, you may choose to go play in a league where college coaches care. They don't care about high school soccer at all. My kid has been told by multiple college coaches, high school soccer does not matter for recruiting purposes. They only care about ECNL/MLSnext.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:22     Subject: HS JV soccer

A lot of MCPS HS JV teams don’t get or have enough good players. In addition, JV coaches allocates playing time almost equally amongst the players (ie like Rec.). They try to focus on development rather than wins (so they say). If a JV player shows potential, they have an opportunity to move up to varsity during the season.

HS varsity coaches play the best players for wins. There’s no guarantee of playing time. On the girls side of MCPS HS varsity soccer, the good teams (QO, Whitman, etc.) do possession-type soccer while the bad ones continue to do kick-ball. Coaches can only use tactics based on the skillsets of their players.

Not all MCPS HS are created equally. Some have a large soccer/student population to choose from based on the size and location of the school. Certain areas of MCPS has a consistent amount of ECNL/EPD players from year to year, while others do not.

I have a DD in varsity soccer, so I can only speak to girls JV and varsity soccer. I don’t have a DS.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:13     Subject: HS JV soccer

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC



For the system the coach is playing, the kids playing are better. In basketball, the most skilled player may be a center, but if the coach plays a positionless uptempo, they may ride the bench in favor of better athletes. In football, you may have a great pure passing qb, but if the coach runs the option, that QB is riding the bench. The teams to boot and run play the strongest fastest players because those players work in that system. You may hate that system, but that doesn't mean your kid is going to start over a kid better suited to it.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:10     Subject: Re:HS JV soccer

^ worked on his mlsnext team, not high school
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:10     Subject: HS JV soccer

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:HS soccer is not the highest level of play. It's just fun for the kids. Let DD enjoy the time outside and camaraderie of HS sports. That's really what she's getting out of it.


Yeah--that stops working for them eventually when they have to sit on the bench and watch absolute crap on the field week after week. Most kids would rather be doing something else besides wasting so many hours a day and not playing. Some kids just aren't cut out for the bench or the boosters.


100% my kids have spent time on the bench over their youth career and it's fine when you know the person playing your position is a better player. When my kids were frustrated, I was dead honest. I would tell them 'you aren't going to play until you can show you are better at that position than the kid playing it'. See---that doesn't work in high school. It will work on a high level team with intelligent well-trained and licensed coaches. It is working this Fall for my one son when the coach just announced that there is going to be a change in starting line up since the kids (new kids not starting) our not getting scored on and not losing the ball and it is a noticeable difference. My neighbor's daughter was cut from her high school team and went on to play for UNC

Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:05     Subject: Re:HS JV soccer

^maybe
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:05     Subject: Re:HS JV soccer

My kids play in WCAC and it is absolutely awful. There is many one other semi-competitive team the entire high school season. My husband and I joke that the coach could just put out 11 traffic cones on the field and still win the championship.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 09:03     Subject: HS JV soccer

Anonymous wrote:Huh. I'll admit my son isn't in an elite soccer right at this moment, but he has done a good deal of elite-adjacent soccer and is pretty good. His team (a W in MCPS) is competitive and the games look nothing like what you describe. Also their coach is very good. I guess this varies by school or county?


I mean this kindly, most parents have zero idea what 'good soccer' looks like. And there is such a huge gap between an MLSNext/ECNL game and 'elite-adjacent' soccer. The jump to speed of play and decision making is 3-folds higher. It takes most kids a full season to adjust to the higher level.

I know the parents at our high school think it's wonderful soccer. It is so painful to watch and to see what is going wrong and the coaches throwing sideline tantrums and screaming with zero idea how to 'right the ship'.