Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 19:32     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
If you are the top student at a top magnet school you will get into a top school - no hooks needed.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 15:47     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:Why are test scores being used as a comparison? - if you have 1550+ SAT scores does not mean you will be accepted at a top school. All these top schools first look at the course work offered at the student' s school and how they did - did they excel and take rigorous classes. If you have money your kids can go to the most rigorous high school (students at these schools take multiple AP courses each year).

A better comparison would be how many AP scholars come from affluent families and attend these schools.

Nope, that's not how this works. Most rigorous classes + high test scores + super high GPA does not mean you get accepted to those colleges. My magnet DC had all that, but DC is an Asian male, and no hooks.

You either need a hook or get extremely lucky in the lottery.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 15:44     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think one really interesting thing is the MC-UMC dip if you put in equal test scores--households between the 60th-98th percentile are less likely than families in below the 60th and above the 1% to go to elite private colleges (top SLACS, Ivy League+). More evidence for the bimodal distribution.

Yep, it's the U shape, with MC/UMC in the bottom of the U.

We get screwed, left and right. It sucks. Too much to get financial aid, too little to pay for two kids at $80K/year and save for retirement and healthcare costs.


It is barely U shaped when you take out Harvard and Amherst.


Even more shameful, then. Several so called "Catholic" universities catering to the rich. Shameful.
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 15:42     Subject: How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:breaking news that water is also wet


+1,000,000

boring...
Anonymous
Post 09/19/2023 12:05     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Why are test scores being used as a comparison? - if you have 1550+ SAT scores does not mean you will be accepted at a top school. All these top schools first look at the course work offered at the student' s school and how they did - did they excel and take rigorous classes. If you have money your kids can go to the most rigorous high school (students at these schools take multiple AP courses each year).

A better comparison would be how many AP scholars come from affluent families and attend these schools.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 21:30     Subject: How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Any info on southern ivys, Duke Vandy etc.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 21:20     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think one really interesting thing is the MC-UMC dip if you put in equal test scores--households between the 60th-98th percentile are less likely than families in below the 60th and above the 1% to go to elite private colleges (top SLACS, Ivy League+). More evidence for the bimodal distribution.

Yep, it's the U shape, with MC/UMC in the bottom of the U.

We get screwed, left and right. It sucks. Too much to get financial aid, too little to pay for two kids at $80K/year and save for retirement and healthcare costs.


It is barely U shaped when you take out Harvard and Amherst.


Harvard and Amherst may be betting that families will be willing to mortgage the family home
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 21:04     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think one really interesting thing is the MC-UMC dip if you put in equal test scores--households between the 60th-98th percentile are less likely than families in below the 60th and above the 1% to go to elite private colleges (top SLACS, Ivy League+). More evidence for the bimodal distribution.

Yep, it's the U shape, with MC/UMC in the bottom of the U.

We get screwed, left and right. It sucks. Too much to get financial aid, too little to pay for two kids at $80K/year and save for retirement and healthcare costs.


It is barely U shaped when you take out Harvard and Amherst.

Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:59     Subject: How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
breaking news that water is also wet
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:31     Subject: How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Isn’t this the same story we already had a long thread about?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:18     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:It appears Harvard is actually unique from the other ivy leagues. It punishes the middle and upper-middle incomes but favors the lowest and top 1% brackets. Schools like Amherst, NYU and Brandeis seem to copy this model of favoring both extremes.

and Reed, USC.
The stereotype that schools like NYU and USC unfairly favor the rich seems to be a lie.
And it's quite ironic that schools with Christian and Catholic ties or history like Southern Methodist university, Kenyon, Texas Christian Uni, Trinity, Georgetown, Boston college,loyola marymount, Holy Cross and Notre Dame severely punish the poor with 0.6x to 0.2x chance of getting in as a poor student and clearly just favors the 1% with up to 7.7x chance.

Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:11     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It appears Harvard is actually unique from the other ivy leagues. It punishes the middle and upper-middle incomes but favors the lowest and top 1% brackets. Schools like Amherst, NYU and Brandeis seem to copy this model of favoring both extremes.

? most of those schools favor the 2% and the < 60%.


Exactly--that's the trend for all the ivies and the top SLACS. I think this pattern is one reason why hostility to elite colleges has found fertile ground. They accept the very, very rich--have a sort of noblesse oblige for the worthy poor, and somewhat snub the MC/UMC which represents a large portion of the voting population.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:08     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:It appears Harvard is actually unique from the other ivy leagues. It punishes the middle and upper-middle incomes but favors the lowest and top 1% brackets. Schools like Amherst, NYU and Brandeis seem to copy this model of favoring both extremes.

? most of those schools favor the 2% and the < 60%.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 20:07     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
Anonymous wrote:I think one really interesting thing is the MC-UMC dip if you put in equal test scores--households between the 60th-98th percentile are less likely than families in below the 60th and above the 1% to go to elite private colleges (top SLACS, Ivy League+). More evidence for the bimodal distribution.

Yep, it's the U shape, with MC/UMC in the bottom of the U.

We get screwed, left and right. It sucks. Too much to get financial aid, too little to pay for two kids at $80K/year and save for retirement and healthcare costs.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2023 19:52     Subject: Re:How Income Influences Attendance at 139 Top Colleges - NYTimes - [no graphics]
It appears Harvard is actually unique from the other ivy leagues. It punishes the middle and upper-middle incomes but favors the lowest and top 1% brackets. Schools like Amherst, NYU and Brandeis seem to copy this model of favoring both extremes.