Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 13:06     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
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Anonymous wrote:It normally is a very emotional day for me. But I’m too exhausted (sick with covid actually) to think much about it this year. Guess we have a new national trauma.


What is the new national trauma? Covid??? Get real.

Yes. COVID. It changed us as people and as a world. Have you forgotten already?


No, I, like most of everyone else, have moved on. You Covidians go on telling everyone else the sky is falling while wearing your completely useless masks with your 6+ boosters. You’re still going to get covid and in all likelihood it will be a bad cold if that.

I mean, I get what you’re saying. But it was a National trauma, one especially children are still recovering from. It changed us and the way we lived for nearly two years. It will be in text books, much like every other National trauma. Only this one affected the whole world!
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 13:01     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It normally is a very emotional day for me. But I’m too exhausted (sick with covid actually) to think much about it this year. Guess we have a new national trauma.


What is the new national trauma? Covid??? Get real.

Yes. COVID. It changed us as people and as a world. Have you forgotten already?


No, I, like most of everyone else, have moved on. You Covidians go on telling everyone else the sky is falling while wearing your completely useless masks with your 6+ boosters. You’re still going to get covid and in all likelihood it will be a bad cold if that.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 12:55     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
I didn't forget. I am doing an act of service today.

BUT I don't need to see meaningless facebook about it either.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 12:53     Subject: Re:Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:I noticed the same thing. There are shows on tv today but not nearly as many as in past years. One of our ds has spirit week this week and today's dress out of uniform is to dress patriotic and they are doing a memorial service at school.

As we do every year we will watch and discuss with our kids. The events were impactful in my dh and I's lives and we want to make sure our kids don't forget what happened. As others have said, we are so sad at the state of our nation and miss the American spirit that was present in the days right after 9/11.


I mostly remember the hate directed towards Muslims and the useless wars that followed in the aftermath of 9/11.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 12:45     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
I unintentionally was reading The Day The World Came To Town (and listening to Come From Away) last week so I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently. But I agree with others — I still remember crystal clear where I was/what happened that whole day, but it’s very muted these days and feels a bit like history. Reminds me of hearing people talking about JFK’s assassination — it was a big deal and memorable but people aren’t that emotionally invested 20-30 years later.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 10:22     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
I will never forget. And, I watched 60 minutes last night. Kelly + Mark had the Broadway actress, LaChanze, on and she lost her DH on 9/11 who worked at Cantor Fitzgerald. Her second child was born a month after he died.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 10:18     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
A lot of interns and young folks just out of college who are now generating content for media consumption and websites as part of their jobs. It happened before they were born so probably doesn’t come up in the ‘ what should we report about today’ discussions.
Taylor Swift’s latest albums and tours are bigger news.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 10:17     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
I think this is the natural progression of tragedies after 20 years.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 10:13     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
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Anonymous wrote:I don't really think COVID changed much for me, but it's been over 20 years. Things from 20 years ago matter less than things that happened recently. I don't think my grandparents were waking up in 1963 thinking about Pearl Harbor.

I bet they were if it was December 7, 1963, though.


Maybe? Both my grandfathers fought in the war, and they talked about the war a bit, but neither ever mentioned Pearl Harbor or noted the anniversary at all.

20 years after Pearl Harbor, on December 7th, 1961, JFK gave a speech in which he devoted two sentences to it:

“We face entirely different challenges on this Pearl Harbor Day. “In many ways, the challenges are more serious, and in a sense long-reaching, because I don’t think that any of us had any doubt in those days that the United States would survive and prevail, and our strength increase.”

Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-in-a-deeply-divided-us-americans-struggle-over-how-to-commemorate-jan/

I know the Arizona Memorial was getting built around that time, Elvis did a concert to raise money, and they did an episode of "This is Your Life" with a survivor. Overall, though, none of that matches the tenor of what 9/11/21 felt like, to me. I could be wrong (I doubt any of us were alive and old enogh to remember much of 1963), but I think if anything my generation is "remembering" 9/11 with more intensity than that generation remembered Pearl Harbor.


True, but the magnitude of WWII and events/battles over the following years, overshadowed PH. The storming of the beach at Normandy, Battle of the Bulge, etc. and how the war changed life at home.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 10:10     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:I turned on 60 Minutes last night and they ran a piece from a couple of years ago about the FDNY on 9/11 and beyond - it was a good piece with a number of guests who were kids of FDNY members who died that day and the kids went on to join the FDNY themselves. One of the firefighters who was interviewed was a woman who survived because her mentor and friend asked her to switch jobs the morning of 9/11 and so she wasn’t on the engine that responded to the initial calls. She spoke about her fears that the world is changing so fast that the victims and survivors of 9/11 are being left behind and forgotten.

My usual morning politics show opened today with a shot of the memorial at ground zero and a brief mention of the anniversary, then on to sports recap and into politics.

Honestly I feel that this nation squandered the opportunity that was presented by 9/11, especially when you consider the political situation that currently exists. I cried pretty hard watching the 60 Minutes piece and remembering how things were in the immediate aftermath of the attack and thinking of all that has happened since. It is a very sad reality that the attacks of 9/11 were among the most effective terrorist actions in world history, for the lasting negative impacts they’ve had on the country they were targeting.


I watched it with my teen sons. I had the opportunity to tell them how I was a few buildings away when the Pentagon was hit and could see the plumes of smoke and fire...and all about what the day and following weeks were like.

The special was very well-done and it did bring up a lot of emotion in me too. You just forget what those families lost and sacrificed and the many TRUE heroes that stepped up that day. I remember the unity the nation felt and how everyone was just kinder to each other for some time after.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 09:18     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't really think COVID changed much for me, but it's been over 20 years. Things from 20 years ago matter less than things that happened recently. I don't think my grandparents were waking up in 1963 thinking about Pearl Harbor.

I bet they were if it was December 7, 1963, though.


Maybe? Both my grandfathers fought in the war, and they talked about the war a bit, but neither ever mentioned Pearl Harbor or noted the anniversary at all.

20 years after Pearl Harbor, on December 7th, 1961, JFK gave a speech in which he devoted two sentences to it:

“We face entirely different challenges on this Pearl Harbor Day. “In many ways, the challenges are more serious, and in a sense long-reaching, because I don’t think that any of us had any doubt in those days that the United States would survive and prevail, and our strength increase.”

Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/us-politics/article-in-a-deeply-divided-us-americans-struggle-over-how-to-commemorate-jan/

I know the Arizona Memorial was getting built around that time, Elvis did a concert to raise money, and they did an episode of "This is Your Life" with a survivor. Overall, though, none of that matches the tenor of what 9/11/21 felt like, to me. I could be wrong (I doubt any of us were alive and old enogh to remember much of 1963), but I think if anything my generation is "remembering" 9/11 with more intensity than that generation remembered Pearl Harbor.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 09:17     Subject: Re:Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
I noticed the same thing. There are shows on tv today but not nearly as many as in past years. One of our ds has spirit week this week and today's dress out of uniform is to dress patriotic and they are doing a memorial service at school.

As we do every year we will watch and discuss with our kids. The events were impactful in my dh and I's lives and we want to make sure our kids don't forget what happened. As others have said, we are so sad at the state of our nation and miss the American spirit that was present in the days right after 9/11.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 09:16     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:I turned on 60 Minutes last night and they ran a piece from a couple of years ago about the FDNY on 9/11 and beyond - it was a good piece with a number of guests who were kids of FDNY members who died that day and the kids went on to join the FDNY themselves. One of the firefighters who was interviewed was a woman who survived because her mentor and friend asked her to switch jobs the morning of 9/11 and so she wasn’t on the engine that responded to the initial calls. She spoke about her fears that the world is changing so fast that the victims and survivors of 9/11 are being left behind and forgotten.

My usual morning politics show opened today with a shot of the memorial at ground zero and a brief mention of the anniversary, then on to sports recap and into politics.

Honestly I feel that this nation squandered the opportunity that was presented by 9/11, especially when you consider the political situation that currently exists. I cried pretty hard watching the 60 Minutes piece and remembering how things were in the immediate aftermath of the attack and thinking of all that has happened since. It is a very sad reality that the attacks of 9/11 were among the most effective terrorist actions in world history, for the lasting negative impacts they’ve had on the country they were targeting.


Some people forget only 10 months before 9/11 that the country was as divided as it is now and on the bring of a constitutional crisis. But for the grace of Al Gore accepting a questionable SCOTUS ruling, who knows what might have happened.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 09:16     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:I don't really think COVID changed much for me, but it's been over 20 years. Things from 20 years ago matter less than things that happened recently. I don't think my grandparents were waking up in 1963 thinking about Pearl Harbor.


In the mid 80s when I was a teenager and my father was in his early 50s, we had a terrible row because I suggested my my mother, who was in the market for a new car, should consider a Toyota - a couple of friends’ families had them and I thought they were nice cars. My father lost his shit and ranted about Pearl Harbor, which happened when my father was 9 years old.

Granted my father was bigoted by nature, but he never stopped loathing Japanese people his entire life because of Pearl Harbor and subsequent atrocities from WWII.
Anonymous
Post 09/11/2023 09:14     Subject: Is 9/11 different since COVID and/or the 20th?
Anonymous wrote:I woke up to none of the usual memorial posts on social media, and come to think of it, I wouldn’t have even remembered it was 9/11 if not for the annual post here. It feels like it fell to second place after COVID, and its 20 year anniversary.


Nearly an entire generation has reached adulthood since it happened and nearly an entire generation has died. That’s a lot of people gone who lived through it and a lot of people who know it was an important date but didn’t experience it personally, kind of like me hearing stories about Kennedy’s assassination.

I, for one, am glad. It’s a somber day and I had a harrowing experience that day. But through they years I have been put off by the maudlin tone of a lot of a lot of the reflections people share — interestingly the further away they were from Ground Zero, DC or PA, the more over the top their testimonials on FB.