Anonymous
08/04/2024 16:55
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of crazy homeschoolers in Florida--always has been. A "classical education" is the newish buzzword for evangelical christian homeschool curriculums.
It's literally not.
I can’t speak for the college test that’s the subject of this thread, but yes “classical academy” in Florida 100 percent means Christian nut jobs. Here’s ours in Sarasota. Note the time line starts at creationism. And the webpage throws around the word “virtues” a lot, but side steps religion. But everyone in town knows these guys are lunatics, even if they are learning Latin. This is where the Zieglers sent their kids before sending them to pineview.
https://tcasarasota.com/uncategorized/teaching-the-timeline/
Anonymous
05/12/2024 18:57
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Florida likes to have their own version of things, 20 plus years ago I know you had to take the Florida Teachers Certification Exams instead of Praxis like everywhere else.
Yet they’ve now got the best rated schools in the country.
Anonymous
03/26/2024 17:47
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:"classical education" has a very western Christian bent, so I can see why FL and the MAGA love it.
Well, yes. But it also has an Islamic bent, as Islamic philosophy also pulled from the Greco-Roman tradition and cross-pollinated with Western European philosophy, which is why the president of Zaytuna College, America's first Muslim college, is on their board. And it also draws people interested in the more liberal aspects of the Western tradition, which is why you see Cornel West there, too.
Anonymous
03/11/2024 14:37
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
"classical education" has a very western Christian bent, so I can see why FL and the MAGA love it.
Anonymous
03/11/2024 14:36
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
As someone who has worked in the field of standardized testing, I'd be curious as to how this test is constructed, and how questions are road tested, how they account for issues like bias, etc. Any national or international standardized test has to meet all sorts of metrics and questions are tested heavily before they are used. I doubt that the association of Christian schools has an institutionalized set of standards and procedures similar to those that a group like ETS would have. People who write standardized test questions often get paid several thousand dollars for writing one passage with questions and answers, and many of those passages never even make it to the final version, but are thrown out after testing, etc. Making a test like the SAT is really expensive. I wonder how a much smaller, newer organization without a comparable infrastructure is actually creating this test, and how reliable it is, etc.
Anonymous
03/11/2024 14:30
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A "classical education," lol. Somehow I don't think these folks have ever read Cicero in Latin.
i went to classical school and, yes, i have read cicero in latin.
Where?
Anonymous
03/11/2024 14:26
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:https://app.cltexam.com/example-test
The second passage specific references evolution, whereas the third alludes to the Christian view of suffering as an absence of good (i.e. original sin). The passages (except the nonfiction one) are notably more complex than those typical in the SAT, whereas the questions require less inference (again with the nonfiction passage being the exception)
I found the analogies to be an interesting addition, although I couldn't make sense of questions 19 and 29.
The grammar seems surprisingly comparable to that of the SAT and ACT (no sentence diagramming or any explicit grammar knowledge is needed). There are questions that require the taker to know vocabulary, as opposed to being able to infer definitions from context.
The math seems fine, and it seems to have more challenging trigonometry than the other two tests.
Lastly, a student's score is just the number of questions they got right. I don't like this, as the difficulty of the exam is impossible to keep constant from year to year, which means a 110 this year might not be as easy or as difficult to achieve as a 110 next year. It's also a lot less "fault-tolerant" than the other two tests, as you can usually get at least one question wrong per section and still get top SAT and ACT scores.
I believe that this isn't correct, and that they do scale their score per exam difficulty, with the exception that you need to do perfectly to do a perfect score: at least as of a year or two ago, only one person has ever maxxed out the test. The high end is quite high, making it easier to differentiate at the top end.
Verbal is very solid. On the math side, while I do like that they don't allow calculators, I am unhappy that they do not have free response math questions.
Anonymous
03/06/2024 11:09
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:How can they assess writing skills via multiple choice?
Just like the SAT and the ACT with no writing (very few schools require the writing part)
Anonymous
03/02/2024 09:37
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
https://app.cltexam.com/example-test
The second passage specific references evolution, whereas the third alludes to the Christian view of suffering as an absence of good (i.e. original sin). The passages (except the nonfiction one) are notably more complex than those typical in the SAT, whereas the questions require less inference (again with the nonfiction passage being the exception)
I found the analogies to be an interesting addition, although I couldn't make sense of questions 19 and 29.
The grammar seems surprisingly comparable to that of the SAT and ACT (no sentence diagramming or any explicit grammar knowledge is needed). There are questions that require the taker to know vocabulary, as opposed to being able to infer definitions from context.
The math seems fine, and it seems to have more challenging trigonometry than the other two tests.
Lastly, a student's score is just the number of questions they got right. I don't like this, as the difficulty of the exam is impossible to keep constant from year to year, which means a 110 this year might not be as easy or as difficult to achieve as a 110 next year. It's also a lot less "fault-tolerant" than the other two tests, as you can usually get at least one question wrong per section and still get top SAT and ACT scores.
The second passage specific references evolution, whereas the third alludes to the Christian view of suffering as an absence of good (i.e. original sin). The passages (except the nonfiction one) are notably more complex than those typical in the SAT, whereas the questions require less inference (again with the nonfiction passage being the exception)
I found the analogies to be an interesting addition, although I couldn't make sense of questions 19 and 29.
The grammar seems surprisingly comparable to that of the SAT and ACT (no sentence diagramming or any explicit grammar knowledge is needed). There are questions that require the taker to know vocabulary, as opposed to being able to infer definitions from context.
The math seems fine, and it seems to have more challenging trigonometry than the other two tests.
Lastly, a student's score is just the number of questions they got right. I don't like this, as the difficulty of the exam is impossible to keep constant from year to year, which means a 110 this year might not be as easy or as difficult to achieve as a 110 next year. It's also a lot less "fault-tolerant" than the other two tests, as you can usually get at least one question wrong per section and still get top SAT and ACT scores.
Anonymous
12/25/2023 18:43
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Florida’s public university system on Friday voted to approve the Classic Learning Test (CLT), a college entrance exam, making it the first state to accept an alternative to the SAT.
Backed by Christian schools and conservative political groups, the CLT was first introduced in December 2015 and is currently accepted by over 250 American colleges and universities, according to its website. The $59 online test consists of a three-section, two-hour exam that assesses verbal reasoning, grammar and writing as well as quantitative reasoning.
Students will also have the ability to view their scores the same day they complete the test.
“The CLT places a strong emphasis on classical education, which includes a focus on reading, writing, and critical thinking skills,” Ray Rodrigues, Chancellor of the State University System of Florida, said in a statement, as reported by Reuters. “It is designed to align with a classical liberal arts curriculum, which some educators and institutions believe provides a more well-rounded and meaningful education.”
Those seeking entry to Florida’s 12 public universities will now be able apply with an ACT, SAT or CLT score. Applicants hoping to qualify for the Florida Bright Futures Scholarship Program, a lottery-funded scholarship that honors Florida high school graduates for high academic achievement, may also submit CLT test scores.
https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4195330-florida-approves-classic-learning-test/
"The $59 online test consists of a three-section, two-hour exam that assesses verbal reasoning, grammar and writing as well as quantitative reasoning." -- sounds a million times better than whatever DC and other states are doing?
OP, perhaps you should have your FDS checked by a pro?
Anonymous
12/22/2023 13:26
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does this include questions about "creation science"?
Tell me you don’t know what a classical education is without telling me…
They mean classic TV like the Flintstones or Dukes of Hazzard.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 08:44
Subject: Re:Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
A "classical education" is the newish buzzword for evangelical christian homeschool curriculums.
That is absolutely not true. A classical education emphasizes the true, the good, and the beautiful. Yes. there may be a religious angle, but the focus is literature, history, and languages (Latin or Greek), all with a focus on developing good character. There are traditional approaches to learning grammar, including sentence diagramming. Math and science are rigorous. Evolution is taught.
https://welltrainedmind.com/a/classical-education/
Boston Latin and Washington Latin are classical schools, and many homeschoolers use classical curricula. But please continue to spread the myth that we're all a bunch of uneducated rubes.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 07:46
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of crazy homeschoolers in Florida--always has been. A "classical education" is the newish buzzword for evangelical christian homeschool curriculums.
It's literally not.
Yeah, I don’t know how people get these ideas. And they’re so sure of themselves too, even though they’re wrong.
Anonymous
10/29/2023 22:21
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
Anonymous wrote:Lots of crazy homeschoolers in Florida--always has been. A "classical education" is the newish buzzword for evangelical christian homeschool curriculums.
It's literally not.
redquasar
10/29/2023 21:48
Subject: Florida approves ‘Classic Learning Test’ for college admissions
If you substitute Christian/Bible for another group, you think we are talking about the Taliban. I mean this is ridiculous! Public education should be secular. Separation of church and state. What are these people trying to do turn our country into it theocracy??