Anonymous wrote:Wrestling is not international

?? Freestyle wrestling is very popular (equivalent to college wrestling)…Greco Roman is also big in Middle Eastern, Asian and Eastern European countries.

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Only 2.7% of all wrestlers make it to NCAA competition.

Check out scholarship stats for hardest sports to play in college. They remain soccer and tennis

Wrestling is not international

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Schools choose which sports to cut and they cut the sports that no one cared about. They could have cut field sports or swim and dive and saved a lot more than wrestling, but those sports are more popular. Stop blaming girls because you are a fan of an unpopular sport

Why don't they cut all of the unpopular girls sports?

Can't due to Title 9 nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Schools choose which sports to cut and they cut the sports that no one cared about. They could have cut field sports or swim and dive and saved a lot more than wrestling, but those sports are more popular. Stop blaming girls because you are a fan of an unpopular sport

Why don't they cut all of the unpopular girls sports?

Because football coaches want to carry 85 scholarship players. Why don't wrestling alumni pressure schools to keep programs? Even swim teams have managed to pull that off

In my direct experience, we have been able to save the program, but the scholarships can’t be reinstated without a matching girls scholarship. And individual sports have limits to the number of scholarships allowed. So unless the school adds an additional women’s sport, there is no way to reinstate wrestling scholarships (and if they did add the women’s sport, a wrestling scholarship would have to be co-funded with a women’s sport scholarship).

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Schools choose which sports to cut and they cut the sports that no one cared about. They could have cut field sports or swim and dive and saved a lot more than wrestling, but those sports are more popular. Stop blaming girls because you are a fan of an unpopular sport

Why don't they cut all of the unpopular girls sports?

Because football coaches want to carry 85 scholarship players. Why don't wrestling alumni pressure schools to keep programs? Even swim teams have managed to pull that off

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Schools choose which sports to cut and they cut the sports that no one cared about. They could have cut field sports or swim and dive and saved a lot more than wrestling, but those sports are more popular. Stop blaming girls because you are a fan of an unpopular sport

Why don't they cut all of the unpopular girls sports?

Wrestling is for midgets

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Schools choose which sports to cut and they cut the sports that no one cared about. They could have cut field sports or swim and dive and saved a lot more than wrestling, but those sports are more popular. Stop blaming girls because you are a fan of an unpopular sport

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the eating issues were reduced with rule changes 10+ years ago. That poster is irrationally hostile and obviously uninformed.

And sure, wrestling isn’t super popular around here, but in some geographic areas the best athletes do choose to wrestle. Certainly many of the best football and lacrosse players wrestle to improve their grit, strength, stamina, and toughness. I have a D1 athlete in another sport, and he maintains that high school wrestling practice is the hardest physical thing he’s ever done.

With all the issues to disagree about, can’t you just let kids enjoy their activity without blatant hatred?

This may have an element of truth to it. But also, after 4 years, the wrestling program has turned those kids into the fittest athletes at the school.

But in reality, outside of this area, go a few hundred miles north into PA. The best athletes wrestle.

I am a former PA wrestler...not too bad considering the state. Lightly recruited for an academic college. Wrestled for one season, but kind of realized that there was a point to my wrestling in HS (college)...but really no point to wrestling in college. You don't become a Pro Wrestler at the 135 lb. weight class. There were close to zero fans and honestly, it is not a sport that does much for you in terms of professional networking (at least not in the early 1990s)...unlike lacrosse, crew and other "country club" sports.

There were football players that wrestled...but 80% of wrestlers are at weight classes that are not designed for football...so many wrestlers did not play football. Also, fair amount of kids in wrestling that were not great at "ball" sports like football, basketball, soccer.

Having some perspective, I kind of think wrestling is a great sport to condition and strengthen you for your primary sport. Try to get my baseball player kid to wrestle because it is great for core strength and conditioning...and I tell him that if the coach tells you to drop weight just tell him No...that you are fine wrestling JV.

I feel like they are now more attuned to drastic weight loss these days...but perhaps that is still part of the drill.

More girls wrestling is helping the sport. Hopefully more programs will sprout up overall!

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Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Wrestling actually got more popular at younger ages in the 1990s though (for some girls too). From a John Irving NYT Opinion piece:
"Why are wrestlers so upset about this? The number of collegiate wrestling programs lost to Title IX compliance is staggering; this is especially alarming because, since 1993, wrestling has been a rapidly growing sport at the high-school level. Data compiled by Gary Abbott, director of special projects at USA Wrestling, indicates that in 2001, there were 244,984 athletes wrestling in high school; only 5,966 got to wrestle in the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Not to put too fine a point on it: there is only one N.C.A.A. spot for every 41 high-school wrestlers. The numbers have been going downhill for a while. In 1982, there were 363 N.C.A.A. wrestling teams with 7,914 wrestlers competing; in 2001, there were only 229 teams with fewer than 6,000 wrestlers. Yet, in that same period, the number of N.C.A.A. institutions has increased from 787 to 1,049. No wonder wrestlers are unhappy.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/28/opinion/wrestling-with-title-ix.html

Anonymous wrote:The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.

Wrestling was cut because, outside of a couple of midwestern states, it isn't a popular sport. There are plenty of mens sports outside of football and basketball, they just tend to be the sports supported by students and alumni

Anonymous wrote:Many of the eating issues were reduced with rule changes 10+ years ago. That poster is irrationally hostile and obviously uninformed.

And sure, wrestling isn’t super popular around here, but in some geographic areas the best athletes do choose to wrestle. Certainly many of the best football and lacrosse players wrestle to improve their grit, strength, stamina, and toughness. I have a D1 athlete in another sport, and he maintains that high school wrestling practice is the hardest physical thing he’s ever done.

With all the issues to disagree about, can’t you just let kids enjoy their activity without blatant hatred?

This may have an element of truth to it. But also, after 4 years, the wrestling program has turned those kids into the fittest athletes at the school.

But in reality, outside of this area, go a few hundred miles north into PA. The best athletes wrestle.

The Title Nine connection to cutting wrestling programs is mainstream. The blame is really with colleges remaining so focused on football and not women's sports.
171 college wrestling programs were eliminated in 30 years after the law passed. Yes, it lost some popularity too but there were huge cuts particularly at the college level.