Yes. The actual protocol is run, hide, fight. You run if you can- get out, get away. If you’re in a classroom and can’t run, you hide. If the intruder comes in your room, try to fight. I am a HS teacher and absolutely I tell them if there’s ever a gunman and we know he’s only upstairs or across the school, we are running out the door that’s 50 yards from my room and dispersing into the neighborhood. If running is less safe we will lockdown but you get out if you can.

and here we arrive at another unmentioned truth in our society: We extoll the rights of people to get assault rifles, so they are available. That allowed just because people are afraid that a government with chemical and nuclear warfare may use a gun against a citizen.
Meanwhile people are banking on a women to stay in a room and take bullets for your kids or at least hide with them.

What if a teacher decides her kids and family are more important than yours job or no job and runs away? do you jail her? Or does she get a pass like the police in Uvalde?

In Sandy Hook, there were very young children who left the building, escaped and ran to a neighboring house. Very young. They ran after their teacher had gotten shot and somehow they survived.

The neighbor who happened to be home found them and immediately brought them inside. It is discussed in the Sandy Hook documentary. It is not known who told them to run, but they ran as a group. It is an incredible story.

Yes, if you can run, you run

Anonymous wrote:The only thing that works is a group of people mobbing the shooter. And yes that is immense personal risk to the people who do it.

Maybe, but if you are in charge of 25 seven year olds, getting them out to safety makes a whole lot more sense than trying to get them to mob a shooter.

The only thing that works is a group of people mobbing the shooter. And yes that is immense personal risk to the people who do it.

Anonymous wrote:Remember 9/11 when people were told to stay put in twin towers? Sometimes you need to move and run, jump, or climb.

And remember Uvalde when dozens of good guys with guns did...nothing?

Nothing is clear in America anymore. But this much is:

If you and/or your students get shot whether you're eventually fired or not by your district is the least of your problems. Make whatever decision seems best at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:When on the ground floor I told my kid to bail out if a window and run to a business that was near the school.
Now she’s on the 3rd floor so can’t escape.
They stay and hide, door locked and window covered.
I work in L/E

Can his teacher allow him to climb window and run out? Maybe "allow" is not the right word, I mean does the teacher get in trouble for letting the students do this? You know, if it didn't end well.

WHO THE F$CK CARES?!?! Omg, you are the sheeple these shooters are looking for. Jesus.

Your reaction shows that you have the potential to become a mass shooter.

Chill out. I am sure if your kids is injured after his teacher told him to jump window you'll immediately be lawyered up to sue that teacher.

I am a school shooting survivor. I have instructed my kids, every year, that if they are on a ground floor, get out the window even if they have to throw a chair through it to break it. And just keep running, not looking back. If they can jump from a second story window, do that. My kids are teens so I understand this may not work for younger kids.

Remember that in Virginia Tech, several students survived because they jumped out the window. And in Chapel Hill this week there is a widely circulated video of young men doing the same (from a second story).

This isn't a fire drill.

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Anonymous wrote:When on the ground floor I told my kid to bail out if a window and run to a business that was near the school.
Now she’s on the 3rd floor so can’t escape.
They stay and hide, door locked and window covered.
I work in L/E

Can his teacher allow him to climb window and run out? Maybe "allow" is not the right word, I mean does the teacher get in trouble for letting the students do this? You know, if it didn't end well.

WHO THE F$CK CARES?!?! Omg, you are the sheeple these shooters are looking for. Jesus.

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. How about we “man up” in this country to the Second Amendment radicals and their enablers, and put some reasonable restrictions on who can buy weapons of mass murder and under what conditions. Some kook shouldn’t be able to assemble an arsenal at Walmart and wipe out a first grade class in one afternoon. Maybe if we started holding the enablers personally liable the message would get through - some things are more important than unfettered access to your toys.

Start with all the DC children that are running shooting people first.
The chance of getting shot in school is infinitesimally low compared to living in Ward 8.
Over a dozen minor children have been killed in DC YTD.

Oh and telling kids to be sitting ducks corralled into a single exit classroom is literally the dumbest thing ever done.
They need to be taught to run, run, run. Don’t fight instinct.

Who cares if they are allowed?

You can't practice having kids climb out of windows or run. If you're a teacher in that horrible position of making a choice, part of the consideration might be how you manage 20+ little kids running from a threat. What if one trips and falls? What if one or more run in the wrong direction and end up heading towards danger?

Run-Hide-Fight. Run is the first choice but for purposes of planning and training, practicality has schools preparing for Hide.

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Anonymous wrote:I have given my child explicit clear permission to leave the school building at any time for their safety regardless of rules/policy/ an adult telling them not to.

That is horrible advice in the case of most emergencies that a student might face during a school day.

For most emergencies yes, for an active shooter running is the best course of action if they have access to a window

Anonymous wrote:I have given my child explicit clear permission to leave the school building at any time for their safety regardless of rules/policy/ an adult telling them not to.

That is horrible advice in the case of most emergencies that a student might face during a school day.

Yes, when my kids did ALICE training in ACPS they were taught to run in a zig-zag (to dodge theoretical bullets). It’s sick, but this is what kids are learning in school these days—how to survive an active shooter threat.

The students at UNC leaping out of windows were actually using the right approach.