Anonymous
Post 08/31/2023 12:10     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:If ELC isn't offered to all of the 4th graders, can students become qualified for it based on upcoming MAP tests? Will they be able to transfer in immediately or wait until 5th grade?


No idea how it works anymore. Last year i was worried if my DS will get it as he did not make the lottery but did have a pretty high MAP score 90+. But apparently everyone at his school is getting ELC so we still don’t know what’s going on.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 13:42     Subject: ELC for everyone?
If ELC isn't offered to all of the 4th graders, can students become qualified for it based on upcoming MAP tests? Will they be able to transfer in immediately or wait until 5th grade?
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 13:40     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:At our elementary I heard 80-90 percent qualified for the lottery. I suspect always been something like that because another parent told us that when they recommended gifted testing a few years ago the cut off was 80th percentile and everyone tested except for a very small number of kids.

Even then when they did the ELC it was only for the top kids who were waitlisted for the CES or were otherwise identified as being above grade level.

I don't think it's fair to anyone to use that curriculum for every student. It creates distress for those who are behind and lowers the standards for those so ahead they actually need it.


So 90% of the kids at your school were in the top 15% of the school. That's amazing!
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 13:24     Subject: ELC for everyone?
The problem is that benchmark is terrible and MCPS yet again failed to find a replacement. I can see how it’s unfair that the available choices right now are either benchmark or ELC. I agree ELC is not necessarily appropriate for everyone, but all students deserve an excellent reading curriculum.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 13:15     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:At our elementary I heard 80-90 percent qualified for the lottery. I suspect always been something like that because another parent told us that when they recommended gifted testing a few years ago the cut off was 80th percentile and everyone tested except for a very small number of kids.

Even then when they did the ELC it was only for the top kids who were waitlisted for the CES or were otherwise identified as being above grade level.

I don't think it's fair to anyone to use that curriculum for every student. It creates distress for those who are behind and lowers the standards for those so ahead they actually need it.


You must be at a REALLY small school in a VERY wealthy area? The criteria for CES was very strict. At our W feeder school, only 7% made the cut for CES lottery last year, with only one-third of those who qualified actually given a seat at CES. There's no way 80-90% qualified for the lottery.

Agree it's not fair to use the curriculum for every student.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 13:05     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Yes. Bradley Hills is doing this.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 12:33     Subject: ELC for everyone?
At our elementary I heard 80-90 percent qualified for the lottery. I suspect always been something like that because another parent told us that when they recommended gifted testing a few years ago the cut off was 80th percentile and everyone tested except for a very small number of kids.

Even then when they did the ELC it was only for the top kids who were waitlisted for the CES or were otherwise identified as being above grade level.

I don't think it's fair to anyone to use that curriculum for every student. It creates distress for those who are behind and lowers the standards for those so ahead they actually need it.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 12:27     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:It's possible the ELC for all schools are at schools where most of the students qualified for the CES lottery? I hope that's true.


There are no such schools. It's only the top 15%. For most to qualify, it would be top 50%.

Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 12:18     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:It's possible the ELC for all schools are at schools where most of the students qualified for the CES lottery? I hope that's true.

And when I say "most," I mean the vast majority of the students.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 12:17     Subject: ELC for everyone?
It's possible the ELC for all schools are at schools where most of the students qualified for the CES lottery? I hope that's true.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 11:57     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:Looks like our school has all 4th graders taking ELC this year. Anyone else?

You must be at one of the good schools!
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 11:46     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sucks that the county opted to screw the 5th graders this year by not giving those who qualified by lottery and are not in the CES the opportunity to have ELC by missing it a year.

Stupid MCPS AGAIN.

I guess I'm late to the game, but I don't understand what you're saying: so no 5th graders are able to get ELC? Or are you saying that some ESs have opted out of ELC for their 5th graders?


DP but I think she is saying that the county should have rolled out ELC to all schools this year for both 4th and 5th grades. All non-immersion schools offer ELC to 4th graders this year, but it won’t roll out to all 5th graders until next year. The schools that offered ELC last year will go to ur to offer it to 5th graders this year—but that’s less than half of the ES.


PP here, and yes, that's exactly what I meant.
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 11:42     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sucks that the county opted to screw the 5th graders this year by not giving those who qualified by lottery and are not in the CES the opportunity to have ELC by missing it a year.

Stupid MCPS AGAIN.

I guess I'm late to the game, but I don't understand what you're saying: so no 5th graders are able to get ELC? Or are you saying that some ESs have opted out of ELC for their 5th graders?


DP but I think she is saying that the county should have rolled out ELC to all schools this year for both 4th and 5th grades. All non-immersion schools offer ELC to 4th graders this year, but it won’t roll out to all 5th graders until next year. The schools that offered ELC last year will go to ur to offer it to 5th graders this year—but that’s less than half of the ES.

OIC, that makes sense why parents at those ESs are disappointed ELC didn't extend to their 5th graders. Thanks for clarifying!
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 11:38     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:This is also what's happening at our elementary (BCC Cluster) and it makes me so mad. A decision like this doesn't seem to serve anyone well -- the kids who aren't on grade level or aren't ready for ELC will really struggle and the kids for whom ELC is intended will get little to no attention because teachers will have to focus on the first category. I just don't understand why Central Office is allowing this.

+10000
Anonymous
Post 08/30/2023 11:38     Subject: ELC for everyone?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sucks that the county opted to screw the 5th graders this year by not giving those who qualified by lottery and are not in the CES the opportunity to have ELC by missing it a year.

Stupid MCPS AGAIN.

I guess I'm late to the game, but I don't understand what you're saying: so no 5th graders are able to get ELC? Or are you saying that some ESs have opted out of ELC for their 5th graders?


DP but I think she is saying that the county should have rolled out ELC to all schools this year for both 4th and 5th grades. All non-immersion schools offer ELC to 4th graders this year, but it won’t roll out to all 5th graders until next year. The schools that offered ELC last year will go to ur to offer it to 5th graders this year—but that’s less than half of the ES.