Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 04:41     Subject: Iready
We have now devolved into deluding ourselves into believing that Fairfax County possesses the brightest top 20% of the entire country. This board has become nutso. Do some of you even understand what you are saying?
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 01:18     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to see if my child might be placed in a better class. He scored at 93% in I Ready math and 91% in IReady reading on the last report. According to his teacher some students score 30 to 40 POINTS above the 99th percentile. Since these scores are way above the 99th percentile. am I being told the truth? I guess if there dozens of little geniuses at the school, he's just looked at as average.

Across the entire county, there are maybe 2 or 3 kids per grade level scoring 100 points over the 99th percentile line. There could easily be another 50-100 kids scoring 30-40 points over the 99th percentile line. Keep in mind that kids who are taking math classes at AoPS or RSM could be far above the grade level being assessed in the iready.


Oh boy. Math is hard. For example, there are 3.9 million fifth graders in the country according to the NCES. Assuming Iready ain't lying and the 99th percentile is...well...the 99th percentile, then according to math, there are 39,000 fifth graders scoring at the fifth grade 99th percentile. We know that isn't the case cuz not every fifth grader takes an Iready assessment. But whatevs.

Of those 39,000 99th percentile kids, how many score ten points over the 99th percentile? Well, using the Iready percentile chart, scoring a 524 will get you the 99th percentile. Scoring a 520 gets one into the 98th percentile, or 78,000 kids score ABOVE this. The difference of 4 points knocked out 39,000 kids from getting into that 99th percentile. I guess it could be that America's little geniuses ALL score well above the 99th percentile; that is each kid scoring above the 99th percentile didn't just eke into that category. But that kind of flies into the face of common sense. So if scoring 520 to 524 loses 39,000 kids, one must assume that the rate of degradation will be the same and would be linear. But let's pretend it isn't. Let's pretend that for every 5 point score above 524 that we lop off half of that amount. My trusty abacus says that there will be a loss of 19,000 kids between a 524 score to a 529. Again, I am being generous. If that is the case, scoring 5 points above the 99th percentile cut line leaves us will approximately 19,000 kids in America proudly still standing. Let's do it again. Let's assume that an additional 5 point increase will cut another half of kids. That'll leave 9,500 kids left. Do it one more time and be only 15 points over the 90th percentile and you're left with...drum roll...4,750 kids in America scoring 15 points above the 99th percentile. Yee haw. 'Merica. Keep at it, you say. 5 more points and you're at 2,350. 5 more, 1,175. And finally 5 more for a total of 30 points above the 99th percentile and you're at 587 precious little snowflakes scoring 30 points above the 99th percentile.

Of those 587 kids, each region of the country will have their fair share. Those tiger Moms out in the Bay area and Irvine say hi. Let's give the West 20% of them. Don't forget about those brilliant New Englanders. Son of Chad and Buffy of Cos Cob checking in. The southeast and Floriduh gotta be good for 10%. Fly over country around Iowa and Chicago maybe another 10%. Texas 5%. New York New York, yee of the magnet schools, with New Turnpike and Pennsylvania...You get the idea. This is a big country outside our fair area. Well, you get the idea.

Virginia is home to 8.6 million people. Fairfax has 1.4 million peeps. I'm going to WAG that there are 10,000 students in Fairfax County, representing about .2% of America[s fifth grade student enrollment. We're told by the poster above that there are 100 kids scoring 30 points above the 99th percentile. Out of the 587 kids in the entire country. Yeah, no.


By your logic, my kid doesn't exist anywhere in the country. He scored over 560 in the fall of 2nd grade. In the fall of 4th grade, his school had him take the 7th grade iready, and he scored 50 points above the 99th percentile for 7th graders on the 7th grade iready test, with a 608. While he is an extreme case, there are a decent number of other kids in the country with comparable math ability.

The reality here, is that iready is not going to be normed the way you seem to want. The norming group for 4th graders will likely only include kids in the 4th grade who are taking 4th grade level math and are at appropriate ages for the grade. Since outside enrichment is much more prevalent in FCPS than in the country as a whole, the norming group is less likely to include kids who have been taught math far above grade level materials. It is not surprising for FCPS to have a larger number of 99th percentile kids than predicted, and a decent number testing quite a bit above the 99th percentile cutoff due to their AoPS or RSM classes.
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 00:28     Subject: Iready
Raise your hand if your kid scored 30 points higher than the Iready 99th percentile?
Anonymous
Post 08/29/2023 00:28     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to see if my child might be placed in a better class. He scored at 93% in I Ready math and 91% in IReady reading on the last report. According to his teacher some students score 30 to 40 POINTS above the 99th percentile. Since these scores are way above the 99th percentile. am I being told the truth? I guess if there dozens of little geniuses at the school, he's just looked at as average.

Across the entire county, there are maybe 2 or 3 kids per grade level scoring 100 points over the 99th percentile line. There could easily be another 50-100 kids scoring 30-40 points over the 99th percentile line. Keep in mind that kids who are taking math classes at AoPS or RSM could be far above the grade level being assessed in the iready.


Oh boy. Math is hard. For example, there are 3.9 million fifth graders in the country according to the NCES. Assuming Iready ain't lying and the 99th percentile is...well...the 99th percentile, then according to math, there are 39,000 fifth graders scoring at the fifth grade 99th percentile. We know that isn't the case cuz not every fifth grader takes an Iready assessment. But whatevs.

Of those 39,000 99th percentile kids, how many score ten points over the 99th percentile? Well, using the Iready percentile chart, scoring a 524 will get you the 99th percentile. Scoring a 520 gets one into the 98th percentile, or 78,000 kids score ABOVE this. The difference of 4 points knocked out 39,000 kids from getting into that 99th percentile. I guess it could be that America's little geniuses ALL score well above the 99th percentile; that is each kid scoring above the 99th percentile didn't just eke into that category. But that kind of flies into the face of common sense. So if scoring 520 to 524 loses 39,000 kids, one must assume that the rate of degradation will be the same and would be linear. But let's pretend it isn't. Let's pretend that for every 5 point score above 524 that we lop off half of that amount. My trusty abacus says that there will be a loss of 19,000 kids between a 524 score to a 529. Again, I am being generous. If that is the case, scoring 5 points above the 99th percentile cut line leaves us will approximately 19,000 kids in America proudly still standing. Let's do it again. Let's assume that an additional 5 point increase will cut another half of kids. That'll leave 9,500 kids left. Do it one more time and be only 15 points over the 90th percentile and you're left with...drum roll...4,750 kids in America scoring 15 points above the 99th percentile. Yee haw. 'Merica. Keep at it, you say. 5 more points and you're at 2,350. 5 more, 1,175. And finally 5 more for a total of 30 points above the 99th percentile and you're at 587 precious little snowflakes scoring 30 points above the 99th percentile.

Of those 587 kids, each region of the country will have their fair share. Those tiger Moms out in the Bay area and Irvine say hi. Let's give the West 20% of them. Don't forget about those brilliant New Englanders. Son of Chad and Buffy of Cos Cob checking in. The southeast and Floriduh gotta be good for 10%. Fly over country around Iowa and Chicago maybe another 10%. Texas 5%. New York New York, yee of the magnet schools, with New Turnpike and Pennsylvania...You get the idea. This is a big country outside our fair area. Well, you get the idea.

Virginia is home to 8.6 million people. Fairfax has 1.4 million peeps. I'm going to WAG that there are 10,000 students in Fairfax County, representing about .2% of America[s fifth grade student enrollment. We're told by the poster above that there are 100 kids scoring 30 points above the 99th percentile. Out of the 587 kids in the entire country. Yeah, no.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 22:29     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:To be honest, no one has special math ability unless they demonstrate it in state and national competotions.


^ competitions
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 22:22     Subject: Iready
To be honest, no one has special math ability unless they demonstrate it in state and national competotions.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 22:19     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids told me that they get the exact same reading passages and questions every single year. They are in 7th so as far back as they remember- 3rd or 4th- they have been reading and answering the exact same passages. They said the kids all talk about it and laugh. It is not a useful tool.
Yep. DC came home today and verified that all of the reading passages were the same again and with the same questions.
FCPS is spending a ton of money on this company and not getting much in return. The teachers do not take much stock in the iReady test. It is rendered meaningless.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 22:17     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:My kids told me that they get the exact same reading passages and questions every single year. They are in 7th so as far back as they remember- 3rd or 4th- they have been reading and answering the exact same passages. They said the kids all talk about it and laugh. It is not a useful tool.
Yep. DC came home today and verified that all of the reading passages were the same again and with the same questions.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 21:36     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:I'm trying to see if my child might be placed in a better class. He scored at 93% in I Ready math and 91% in IReady reading on the last report. According to his teacher some students score 30 to 40 POINTS above the 99th percentile. Since these scores are way above the 99th percentile. am I being told the truth? I guess if there dozens of little geniuses at the school, he's just looked at as average.

Across the entire county, there are maybe 2 or 3 kids per grade level scoring 100 points over the 99th percentile line. There could easily be another 50-100 kids scoring 30-40 points over the 99th percentile line. Keep in mind that kids who are taking math classes at AoPS or RSM could be far above the grade level being assessed in the iready.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 21:31     Subject: Iready
Hopefully teachers aren't going to be flooded with frantic parent communications when the latest batch of Iready scores drop, although the tenor of this thread suggests otherwise. When my child read 14 million words in fourth grade, I don't even remember if I took a second look at his Iready score. I already knew that he would score in the 99th percentile.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 20:19     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.


DS had been in the 95th percentile for reading until the end of 4th grade and through 5th grade, he dropped to the 71st percentile. We were concerned by the drop. He also scores pass advanced on the SOL in reading for 4th and 5th grade and gets mainly 4’s, the occasional 3 in writing, on his report card. He reads for fun at home and is able to discuss what he is reading pretty easily.

So yeah, I am going with the iReady is not the best indicator for him. His classroom performance and SOL performance has not changed but his iReady score has. I’ll worry when his classroom performance changes.


That would be the type of grades, performances that Iready would predict vis-a-vis SOL, occasionally 3's, etc. It seems that parents love to tout the 99th percentile when their child obtains that score, but then when the score is a "mediocre" 70th percentile, well that test is a horrible test!

Come on people, Iready is as valid as any other test.


A 71st percentile on the iReady predicts passed advance on the SOL? OK then.

We talked to his Teachers when his iReady dropped and they were not concerned so we decided we didn’t need to be worried. We followed up to see if there was something we needed to be worried about.

Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 17:44     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.


DS had been in the 95th percentile for reading until the end of 4th grade and through 5th grade, he dropped to the 71st percentile. We were concerned by the drop. He also scores pass advanced on the SOL in reading for 4th and 5th grade and gets mainly 4’s, the occasional 3 in writing, on his report card. He reads for fun at home and is able to discuss what he is reading pretty easily.

So yeah, I am going with the iReady is not the best indicator for him. His classroom performance and SOL performance has not changed but his iReady score has. I’ll worry when his classroom performance changes.


That would be the type of grades, performances that Iready would predict vis-a-vis SOL, occasionally 3's, etc. It seems that parents love to tout the 99th percentile when their child obtains that score, but then when the score is a "mediocre" 70th percentile, well that test is a horrible test!

Come on people, Iready is as valid as any other test.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 17:18     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.


DS had been in the 95th percentile for reading until the end of 4th grade and through 5th grade, he dropped to the 71st percentile. We were concerned by the drop. He also scores pass advanced on the SOL in reading for 4th and 5th grade and gets mainly 4’s, the occasional 3 in writing, on his report card. He reads for fun at home and is able to discuss what he is reading pretty easily.

So yeah, I am going with the iReady is not the best indicator for him. His classroom performance and SOL performance has not changed but his iReady score has. I’ll worry when his classroom performance changes.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 17:14     Subject: Iready
Anonymous wrote:my kids are in AAP and have tanked the i-ready for years. It's a seriously flawed test considering that they hit perfect SOL scores and my oldest got a perfect algebra readiness test.



This makes me feel better. DD received a perfect reading SOL score and then an 82% on the iready! She has never received below 98% on any standardized reading test. I’m trying to figure out why she bombed the iready.
Anonymous
Post 08/28/2023 15:58     Subject: Iready
Iready is a valid test. Those whose children score poorly on it will naturally discount it. The kid didn't try, wanted to go to recess, etc. You'll see the excuses come out for the non-motivated students. That provides insight into the academic and emotional iq of that child. Some children are bright, very few are exceptional. Like very few.