In our cub scouts only one girl joined. There were about 12 boys to one girl. She seemed quiet and out of place. She seemed miserable. She quit after one year.

Anonymous wrote:There’s always 4H!

Forgot to add, if you are in MC, here’s your 4H extension info: https://extension.umd.edu/locations/montgomery-county/local-4-h-youth-education/clubs

It’s not a huge program, but some of the more general clubs listed here will offer activities and projects similar to what scouts would.

There’s always 4H!

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Anonymous wrote:Please keep your girls out of Cub Scouts. It’s not fair to the boys.

OP what are you doing to improve the Girl Scout option?

How is it not fair to the boys that girls are joining an organization that allows girls?

BSA family here. The boys are fine. They are in boy-specific groups that occasionally interact with the girls. It’s the occasional parent who wants “boys to be boys,” but the kids themselves don’t seem to care.

And why should we support segregating? Isn’t it our responsibility to teach children how to interact with others? It’s 2023.

Oh sure. As though they don’t have every other opportunity to interact.

Agree with PP. Cub Scouts is for boys. OP keep shopping until you find or can create an acceptable Daisy troop.

I'm so tired of all this new boy mom drama. Why are moms of boys all of the sudden jealous of girls? NOPE LADY. BSA IS ACTUALLY FOR BOYS AND GIRLS, that's why they changed the name. YOUR ORGANIZATION is the one WHO CHOSE to include girls. If you don't like it, YOU LEAVE. You can't tell girls not to join and that they're not welcome when BSA rules specifically say they are welcome, and they are forming girls only dens. Sorry you are telling your little boys that they are victims now that girls are welcome in the troops, but if you are really that upset about it then COMPLAIN TO THE ORGANIZATION, don't tell families their girls can't join. They can and will join. They're allowed to.

I had a friend tell me that having girls in BSA meant that “boys can’t be boys.” Sounds good to me. Boys MUST learn to interact appropriately with girls. If there’s something they shouldn’t be doing around a girl, perhaps they shouldn’t be doing it at all.

For those who think girls shouldn’t be in BSA, you’re sending the message that girls are somehow inferior. As the mother of two girls, one in BSA, I refuse to allow anyone to tell my child she is somehow “less than.” We tried Girl Scouts. The activities didn’t catch her interest. BSA does.

Anonymous wrote:Please start your own GS tropp, rather than join BSA. Let's take a look, shall we: they abuse boys and move molesters around the country, cover-up the assaults, and when about to go bankrupt, come up with an idea to allow girls (the 50% they've excluded for decades, and fortunately, spared from the abuse).

The GS troop is 100% leader dependant. Get a good one and you are golden - my daughter started as a daisy and ended as a caddette, earning her gold award. Why not be a part of the solution?

Please educate yourself to the current le el of youth protection in BSA. It is now a model for other organizations.

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Anonymous wrote:Please start your own GS tropp, rather than join BSA. Let's take a look, shall we: they abuse boys and move molesters around the country, cover-up the assaults, and when about to go bankrupt, come up with an idea to allow girls (the 50% they've excluded for decades, and fortunately, spared from the abuse).

The GS troop is 100% leader dependant. Get a good one and you are golden - my daughter started as a daisy and ended as a caddette, earning her gold award. Why not be a part of the solution?

OP here, I would LOVE to have my child join a troop, but as I said, the troops at her school are a mess. I work full-time and already coach sports for two kids across two seasons, I don't have time to also lead Girl Scouts. It would be great if other parents stepped up, but they don't want to, and the ones who did aren't willing to let new girls join and are threatening to disband the troop altogether at this point because they are upset that some girls that joined "without permission" <-- they don't need permission, all are supposed to be welcome. It's a mess.

And yes, I have concerns about BSA and the past abuse, too, which is why I am asking this question.

I have a friend who runs a troop and she only wants girls whose parents have proven they aren't flakes. She is tired of calling and texting both parents 20 times asking for a form to be filled out or money for the horseback outing and getting ignored. I'm not saying I agree but this is the thought process. A lot of parents think Scouts is something they can just drop their kid off and pick them up an hour later with no involvement; they don't understand the work that is put in.

OP here. I already explained the situation at our school, it's different from what you're describing. Not sure why you are getting so defensive and weird about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Please keep your girls out of Cub Scouts. It’s not fair to the boys.

OP what are you doing to improve the Girl Scout option?

How is it not fair to the boys that girls are joining an organization that allows girls?

BSA family here. The boys are fine. They are in boy-specific groups that occasionally interact with the girls. It’s the occasional parent who wants “boys to be boys,” but the kids themselves don’t seem to care.

And why should we support segregating? Isn’t it our responsibility to teach children how to interact with others? It’s 2023.

Oh sure. As though they don’t have every other opportunity to interact.

Agree with PP. Cub Scouts is for boys. OP keep shopping until you find or can create an acceptable Daisy troop.

I'm so tired of all this new boy mom drama. Why are moms of boys all of the sudden jealous of girls? NOPE LADY. BSA IS ACTUALLY FOR BOYS AND GIRLS, that's why they changed the name. YOUR ORGANIZATION is the one WHO CHOSE to include girls. If you don't like it, YOU LEAVE. You can't tell girls not to join and that they're not welcome when BSA rules specifically say they are welcome, and they are forming girls only dens. Sorry you are telling your little boys that they are victims now that girls are welcome in the troops, but if you are really that upset about it then COMPLAIN TO THE ORGANIZATION, don't tell families their girls can't join. They can and will join. They're allowed to.

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Anonymous wrote:Please start your own GS tropp, rather than join BSA. Let's take a look, shall we: they abuse boys and move molesters around the country, cover-up the assaults, and when about to go bankrupt, come up with an idea to allow girls (the 50% they've excluded for decades, and fortunately, spared from the abuse).

The GS troop is 100% leader dependant. Get a good one and you are golden - my daughter started as a daisy and ended as a caddette, earning her gold award. Why not be a part of the solution?

OP here, I would LOVE to have my child join a troop, but as I said, the troops at her school are a mess. I work full-time and already coach sports for two kids across two seasons, I don't have time to also lead Girl Scouts. It would be great if other parents stepped up, but they don't want to, and the ones who did aren't willing to let new girls join and are threatening to disband the troop altogether at this point because they are upset that some girls that joined "without permission" <-- they don't need permission, all are supposed to be welcome. It's a mess.

And yes, I have concerns about BSA and the past abuse, too, which is why I am asking this question.

I have a friend who runs a troop and she only wants girls whose parents have proven they aren't flakes. She is tired of calling and texting both parents 20 times asking for a form to be filled out or money for the horseback outing and getting ignored. I'm not saying I agree but this is the thought process. A lot of parents think Scouts is something they can just drop their kid off and pick them up an hour later with no involvement; they don't understand the work that is put in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please keep your girls out of Cub Scouts. It’s not fair to the boys.

OP what are you doing to improve the Girl Scout option?

How is it not fair to the boys that girls are joining an organization that allows girls?

BSA family here. The boys are fine. They are in boy-specific groups that occasionally interact with the girls. It’s the occasional parent who wants “boys to be boys,” but the kids themselves don’t seem to care.

And why should we support segregating? Isn’t it our responsibility to teach children how to interact with others? It’s 2023.

Oh sure. As though they don’t have every other opportunity to interact.

Agree with PP. Cub Scouts is for boys. OP keep shopping until you find or can create an acceptable Daisy troop.

You are wrong. Cub Scout is for Boys and Girls. If you want a boys only Pack, you can go and find one. They are out there. But many Packs in the NoVA area are co-ed and doing well.

Our Pack mixes the boys and girls in Dens by age. The Girls have been having a blast and the ones who have bridged over to a female Troop seem to be having a great experience.

Girl Scouts is great for some girls. I could not leave fast enough as a child. It was boring. The Troop didn’t hike or camp or do anything I was interested in. It didn’t work for me and my town did not have multiple Troop options. Cub Scouts does so much more of what I was interested in as a child. Finding a Troop to join is far harder in Girl Scouts and the ability of a Troop to fall apart quickly is totally different then a Pack or a Troop through BSA. They just run differently and that is fine.

And I am tired of the “They are all molesters” crap. Yes, bad things happened in some Troops and Packs in the past. There is a lot of training now. Every Adult has to have a background check. There are rules that good Packs and Troops enforce regarding not being alone with a child that, if followed, keep the kids and the adults safe.

Cub Scouts can be great for a child who wants to do more outdoor activities. By the time a Scout moves to a Troop, at the age of 11, the Scouts should be running their own events and meetings with limited adult intervention. The Adults are there to provide guidance and safety and that is all, which is not that different then a Girl Scout Troop.

Scouts is for all. Contact BSA and do some research to find the troops who understand that.

My niece loves it! My DD would not have loved it because she doesn’t seem to like boys as friends. May depend on the kid!

Our Scout BSA pack doesn’t have girl dens and big dens. It’s just “kid dens.” One den is 55% girls and most are at least 40/60.

Totally pack dependent. Like GS.

My son is in Scouts. There are girls in his den and troop. From his perspective, it’s natural.

In regard to the previous post about leaving something for the boys, I don’t think BSA/Scouting is at risk of excluding boys indirectly or directly. It’s not like shopping for children’s clothes in person where you are lucky if the one rack in the store with clothing your child might want to wear happens to have his size in at least one item.

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Anonymous wrote:Please keep your girls out of Cub Scouts. It’s not fair to the boys.

OP what are you doing to improve the Girl Scout option?

How is it not fair to the boys that girls are joining an organization that allows girls?

BSA family here. The boys are fine. They are in boy-specific groups that occasionally interact with the girls. It’s the occasional parent who wants “boys to be boys,” but the kids themselves don’t seem to care.

And why should we support segregating? Isn’t it our responsibility to teach children how to interact with others? It’s 2023.

Oh sure. As though they don’t have every other opportunity to interact.

Agree with PP. Cub Scouts is for boys. OP keep shopping until you find or can create an acceptable Daisy troop.