Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 13:49     Subject: Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:curious how Stanford is ranked so high - it doesn't seem dangerous in the least!


Agree... I went there. I wonder what's happening.

I used to live not too far from there.

1. It's a wealthy area. Thieves know this, too.

2. I don't think "nice wealthy white boys" precludes them from being violent against women. See Brock Allen Turner case.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 13:47     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yale doesn't seem to break the top 25 most dangerous campuses.

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-dangerous-college-campuses/

It does surprise me to see a few of t hose T25 on there, though.

#1 U of Michigan
OSU
Cal
#8 Stanford
#13 Vanderbilt
#14 Auburn
#21 U of FL
#22 UC SD
#24 JHU
#26 U of Washington

If you look at the # by per capita, the order is a bit different, but most of the same colleges are on there.

This definitely gives me pause about what colleges DD should apply to.


“Both the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor and Ohio State University have the highest rates of violent crime because of historic sexual abuse at the hands of university physicians.”

The events alluded to at Michigan ended over 20 years ago. Many prior victims reported the abuse just recently. There was a big payout which further encouraged reporting. Just another example where statistics don’t tell the whole story. You DD should still apply to Michigan. Ann Arbor is a very safe city relative to its size. You can literally walk anywhere in the entire town and feel pretty secure.

How do you know the data is related to what happened 20 years ago?

Rape accounts for 60% of the total violent crimes in our analysis (2019-2021)
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 13:20     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
This is silly, alarmist stuff. C’mon guys
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 13:19     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:Yes, Yale sounds like a truly horrific place to me. Please don’t let your kids apply! The acceptance rate is too low already


+1
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:51     Subject: Beware of Yale
https://www.valuepenguin.com/2020/02/which-colleges-and-universities-have-most-crime

UCLA is one of the worst schools for violent crime.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:37     Subject: Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:curious how Stanford is ranked so high - it doesn't seem dangerous in the least!


Agree... I went there. I wonder what's happening.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:37     Subject: Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:I am a Yale parent of 2027 and the police chief informed us last weekend at a session that this was distributed as a tactic to influence negotiations with the union.

Every top school with the exceptions of Princeton, Stanford, UCLA and perhaps Harvard and MIT, are located in areas that aren't so great in terms of crime: Columbia, Berkeley, JHU, Chicago, etc. Even Charlottesville has a problem with crime...


That’s a ridiculous statement.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:35     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:
IF my son got into Yale would I send him? Yes. Hopkins? Yes. But we are city people and grew up knowing the limitations and street smarts needed. As a teen/college student I didn't walk alone at night. I didn't jog in the dark, etc.


Friend of mine's son went to Chicago and he was a "street smart city person". He still got sucker punched, knocked out, and his phone and wallet stolen. Sometimes you're a victim even when you don't do anything foolish.


“Because we want this article’s focus to be on the most dangerous college campuses, we omitted violent crimes that were considered non-campus and public property.”

Because students never set foot outside the campus boundaries every day. Ridiculous!
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:35     Subject: Beware of Yale
I am a Yale parent of 2027 and the police chief informed us last weekend at a session that this was distributed as a tactic to influence negotiations with the union.

Every top school with the exceptions of Princeton, Stanford, UCLA and perhaps Harvard and MIT, are located in areas that aren't so great in terms of crime: Columbia, Berkeley, JHU, Chicago, etc. Even Charlottesville has a problem with crime...
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:17     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
IF my son got into Yale would I send him? Yes. Hopkins? Yes. But we are city people and grew up knowing the limitations and street smarts needed. As a teen/college student I didn't walk alone at night. I didn't jog in the dark, etc.


Friend of mine's son went to Chicago and he was a "street smart city person". He still got sucker punched, knocked out, and his phone and wallet stolen. Sometimes you're a victim even when you don't do anything foolish.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:16     Subject: Beware of Yale
“ At UMich, we spoke to Melissa Overton, University Deputy Chief of Police and Public Information Officer, who pointed us to the school’s Annual Security and Fire Safety Report. According to the report, of the 199 rape numbers recorded on campus in 2021, 182 were attributed to Robert E. Anderson; of the 1,212 rape numbers recorded in 2020, 1,194 were attributed to Anderson.”

Look at those numbers. This whole listing is ridiculously flawed. It’s comparing what happened in the 1990’s by one individual, long dead btw, to the present situation on campus. I see no purpose for this whole report when it’s based on outdated criminal activity.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:08     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
It would make more sense if they rank by fatal rate rather than trivial misdemeanor cases. I am surprised that University of Chicago is not on this list.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:04     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:Yale doesn't seem to break the top 25 most dangerous campuses.

https://www.degreechoices.com/blog/most-dangerous-college-campuses/

It does surprise me to see a few of t hose T25 on there, though.

#1 U of Michigan
OSU
Cal
#8 Stanford
#13 Vanderbilt
#14 Auburn
#21 U of FL
#22 UC SD
#24 JHU
#26 U of Washington

If you look at the # by per capita, the order is a bit different, but most of the same colleges are on there.

This definitely gives me pause about what colleges DD should apply to.


“Both the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor and Ohio State University have the highest rates of violent crime because of historic sexual abuse at the hands of university physicians.”

The events alluded to at Michigan ended over 20 years ago. Many prior victims reported the abuse just recently. There was a big payout which further encouraged reporting. Just another example where statistics don’t tell the whole story. You DD should still apply to Michigan. Ann Arbor is a very safe city relative to its size. You can literally walk anywhere in the entire town and feel pretty secure.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:04     Subject: Re:Beware of Yale
I have a kid there now, this flyer has been WELL covered by anxious parents in the facebook group with some very good explanation from seasoned parents that there is a time honored tradition of unions handing out flyers on move in weekends to increase visibility and support for whatever cause they are organizing around and this just such a flyer. It's a city, of course stuff happens. But the area around campus is super well patrolled and there are very few incidents that impact students. If you go to a city school, any city school, you have to be smart when you're out and about. If you want a suburban hamlet Princeton is not too far away.
Anonymous
Post 08/25/2023 12:03     Subject: Beware of Yale
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to Yale. New Haven is a weird city and possibly unique in that it is an urban environment (not a college town) but the only forces with any political power are two large non profits that don’t pay taxes. The students and their families are the only ones with pressure to leverage the university which in turn is the only one with leverage to pressure the city. When Yale wanted a portion of the city totally knocked down and rebuilt, it got it. When Yale wanted a fancy new hotel to house interviews and such, it got it. If the police force needs more resources, the only way to likely to get it is if he students parents start putting pressure on the school.
The crime issue is not significant for undergrads but it’s more of a concern for grad students who mostly live off campus and are often walking by themselves to get to/from campus late at night.


This! As a single female I felt completely safe walking alone day and night on campus. Off campus at night I would be more aware and careful (I lived off campus a year).

The flyer is definitely alarmist and meant to get student/parent support for more resources.

- 90s alum (by appearance, areas immediately surrounding the college seem safer now than the 90s)


This describes how we treated areas around Hopkins. Off campus it us important to be aware in daytime too. But even more so in dark.