The kids who got into ivy 20 years ago would largely no longer be competitive today.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

I know kids of dual Ivy grads who are matriculating at:

Syracuse
Bucknell
Penn State
Oregon

Once you miss the legacy spot you're in the pool with the masses and it can be a total crap shoot.

Did those dual Ivy grads kids’ have smart grandparents?

The above could be just mean reversion — ie dual Ivy grad mom and dad were the outliers and kids reverting back to the long run family level

Ivy rejects going to Stanford and MIT. lol

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

At our DC private, you need to have a 3.8
Minimum UW GPA to even try for the above institutions and that’s usually top 10-15% of class (hard to know for certain since school data in a black box that they won’t share). Bottom 1/2 to me is below a 3.5 or so and little rigor, so don’t know what PP meant by that comment except to be an Ivy snob.

I went to a public college with low tuition and then a top 3 med school. At the time, I did not think undergrad mattered much. My opinion remains unchanged.

Hopkins

Anonymous wrote:At my DD's private, the ones who did not get into Ivies (thankfully she did)-- the Ivy rejects went to:

*NE SLACs
*Stanford
*MIT
*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Georgetown

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

that's fascinating, that the bottom of your kid's class has an average GPA > 3.9, the number necessary to be in the mix for Cal (source: https://news.berkeley.edu/2023/08/08/releases-20230801 ). This suggest that everyone not "in the bottom" of this Lake Woebegon class has a 1600/36 and a 4.0 UW.

Unless of course, you're a troll

McGill also has over 25,000 undergraduates. Their SATs could be lower than Ivy & still be comparable.

At my DD's private, the ones who did not get into Ivies (thankfully she did)-- the Ivy rejects went to:

*NE SLACs
*Stanford
*MIT
*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Georgetown

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

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Anonymous wrote:What schools are accepting a high percentage of the population that used to feed the Ivy League back in the 90s? UMC, private prep-school or top suburban public, high SAT/ACT scores

State flagship honors programs and non-U.S. universities.

St. Andrews in Scotland & McGill in Canada.

I agree that large state flagship university honors colleges are attracting some.

People are more knowledgeable about college options so talented students end up at a much wider variety of schools than they did several decades ago.

McGill is not at Ivy League tier.
Their SAT score distribution is a solid 100 points below Ivy League.

McGill is a great school that has a lot of great students who want to go to school in Canada, especially outside Engineering (Waterloo).

Since SAT scores reflect systemic racism, I guess this means McGill is much less racist than Ivies, correct?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What schools are accepting a high percentage of the population that used to feed the Ivy League back in the 90s? UMC, private prep-school or top suburban public, high SAT/ACT scores

State flagship honors programs and non-U.S. universities.

St. Andrews in Scotland & McGill in Canada.

I agree that large state flagship university honors colleges are attracting some.

People are more knowledgeable about college options so talented students end up at a much wider variety of schools than they did several decades ago.

+1

State flagship honors programs

Anonymous wrote:Do you think that career prospects are significantly different at the schools listed vs Ivy League? Will top companies or graduate programs hold these schools in high regard? Are their alumni networks powerful?

Of course. And at hundreds of other colleges as well. This is a huge country.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

+1

And Michigan.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

I know kids of dual Ivy grads who are matriculating at:

Syracuse
Bucknell
Penn State
Oregon

Once you miss the legacy spot you're in the pool with the masses and it can be a total crap shoot.