Anonymous
08/14/2023 12:23
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:This isn't just about kids getting 0% or 50%.
It's also kids on the high end cramming for a unit test and getting 90% and then forgetting the next day, not learning. Disappearing final exams.
It's colleges who don't care about educating, and just want tuition/grant funding to pay administrators.
? this kind of thing has been happening for a really really long time. It's not a new thing.
-52 yr old.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 12:19
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Do you think a zero is somehow worse than an F?
A zero means you have no chance of passing the class and you have to repeat the class. You have demonstrated that you learned nothing and did no work. A kid with a 50% still has a chance to pass the class and has turned something in, has paid attention/participated at least some of the time, and has not completely and intentionally checked out.
There are lots of grades. A 0 doesn't mean you fail the class - if you do other work.
I have had students that do absolutely no work. Not many, but there are a few every year. So, every grade is a zero. Maybe on a test, 1 or 2 multiple choice questions are circled correctly and the grade was a 15. I had a student just draw a picture on her exam with a bunch of profane words. That was a zero.
Not where I teach. Any attempt at all means the grade defaults to a 50%. So there could be a struggling student who studies and tries and scores a 50%. Is it fair that a kid who writes his name on the test and does nothing else earns the same grade as the first kid?
Anonymous
08/14/2023 12:15
Subject: Re:This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
I agree that homework should be graded for completion. Most kids have plenty of time to do homework in class if they are taking non-honors classes. Homework is optional now. Don’t have to do it at all.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:38
Subject: Re:This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:This has moved beyond 50% minimums at my kids' FCPS school. Classwork doesn't count, homework doesn't count, and the previous quarter grade is dropped and replaced by a higher letter grade if the grade in the current quarter is higher. This doesn't work in reverse, of course, meaning the previous quarter grade is never lowered. It seems that most of the parents at the school don't even know this is going on or don't care.
I would like to see the research that shows that a 14 year old has the intrinsic motivation/executive functioning to do the work when it doesn't matter anymore. These policies are being implemented all over the country. I can't imagine this is the kind of education most parents want for their children.
Homework shouldn't count beyond whether the student completed it or not. Same for certain classwork. There has to be time for students to learn material and make mistakes without affecting their grades.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:30
Subject: Re:This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:This has moved beyond 50% minimums at my kids' FCPS school. Classwork doesn't count, homework doesn't count, and the previous quarter grade is dropped and replaced by a higher letter grade if the grade in the current quarter is higher. This doesn't work in reverse, of course, meaning the previous quarter grade is never lowered. It seems that most of the parents at the school don't even know this is going on or don't care.
I would like to see the research that shows that a 14 year old has the intrinsic motivation/executive functioning to do the work when it doesn't matter anymore. These policies are being implemented all over the country. I can't imagine this is the kind of education most parents want for their children.
Very few people, teens or adults, have that.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:22
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Do you think a zero is somehow worse than an F?
A zero means you have no chance of passing the class and you have to repeat the class. You have demonstrated that you learned nothing and did no work. A kid with a 50% still has a chance to pass the class and has turned something in, has paid attention/participated at least some of the time, and has not completely and intentionally checked out.
There are lots of grades. A 0 doesn't mean you fail the class - if you do other work.
I have had students that do absolutely no work. Not many, but there are a few every year. So, every grade is a zero. Maybe on a test, 1 or 2 multiple choice questions are circled correctly and the grade was a 15. I had a student just draw a picture on her exam with a bunch of profane words. That was a zero.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:19
Subject: Re:This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
This has moved beyond 50% minimums at my kids' FCPS school. Classwork doesn't count, homework doesn't count, and the previous quarter grade is dropped and replaced by a higher letter grade if the grade in the current quarter is higher. This doesn't work in reverse, of course, meaning the previous quarter grade is never lowered. It seems that most of the parents at the school don't even know this is going on or don't care.
I would like to see the research that shows that a 14 year old has the intrinsic motivation/executive functioning to do the work when it doesn't matter anymore. These policies are being implemented all over the country. I can't imagine this is the kind of education most parents want for their children.
I would like to see the research that shows that a 14 year old has the intrinsic motivation/executive functioning to do the work when it doesn't matter anymore. These policies are being implemented all over the country. I can't imagine this is the kind of education most parents want for their children.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:16
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Do you think a zero is somehow worse than an F?
A zero means you have no chance of passing the class and you have to repeat the class. You have demonstrated that you learned nothing and did no work. A kid with a 50% still has a chance to pass the class and has turned something in, has paid attention/participated at least some of the time, and has not completely and intentionally checked out.
There are lots of grades. A 0 doesn't mean you fail the class - if you do other work.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:07
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Do you think a zero is somehow worse than an F?
A zero means you have no chance of passing the class and you have to repeat the class. You have demonstrated that you learned nothing and did no work. A kid with a 50% still has a chance to pass the class and has turned something in, has paid attention/participated at least some of the time, and has not completely and intentionally checked out.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:02
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
This isn't just about kids getting 0% or 50%.
It's also kids on the high end cramming for a unit test and getting 90% and then forgetting the next day, not learning. Disappearing final exams.
It's colleges who don't care about educating, and just want tuition/grant funding to pay administrators.
It's also kids on the high end cramming for a unit test and getting 90% and then forgetting the next day, not learning. Disappearing final exams.
It's colleges who don't care about educating, and just want tuition/grant funding to pay administrators.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:59
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
School's shouldn't trust random other schools' subjective grades. They have to use standardized tests or their own subjective grades.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:23
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Do you think a zero is somehow worse than an F?
Anonymous
08/14/2023 10:21
Subject: Re:This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
But they probably won’t fail. Their teacher will be pushed to pass them. Ask me how I know.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 09:38
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
If a students sits in the back of the room with air pods in, never turns in any work, looks for every possible opportunity to leave the classroom, fails every exam and quiz, tries to cheat and still doesn't even know enough to get a single answer right, that student deserves a zero.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 07:56
Subject: This is why open enrollment and 50% minimum grades need to stop
Anonymous wrote:50% is an F. An F is an F. Is an F.
you want to demand some kind of Super F?
Pffff…..when I was in high school, a 68 was an F. 70 a D-. An A+ required 97 or above.