Anonymous
08/17/2023 20:13
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reality is for most youth selections in sports that are not timed, the "Coach's Eye" test, as well as networking/relationships, play a far bigger role than any metric. Why? Because there are no metrics (agreed to or otherwise) to use at the earliest stages. We do not have an extensive scouting system like other countries (or sports in this country) and can not afford the resources it would take to implement any sort of grassroots tracking.
There is nothing wrong with it as long as you are aware that is how the system works for players in the early ages. So, if a kid is in an academy or selected for an award in non-timed sports, there is just as likely a chance that the selection is because of talent as it could be due to selection bias.
At a certain point later, however, there must be some ability to succeed in the sport.
Here is a good study on it.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.596369/full
You don't have to read the whole thing. This is the important blurb.
"The findings suggest that, in isolation, coaches do not agree on the talent or potential of athletes. This indicates that the “coach's eye” is subjective and variable, and, given the same context, there is poor inter-coach agreement in the identification of talented athletes."
There is nothing really to complain about our system or other countries' systems. Some players don't catch the eye or ear of those that matter. This is true in big academy settings in Europe as well.
So, you can either network and be in the circle one way or another or have your player become so good that it is easy for all eyes to tell they are a standout.
Otherwise, just enjoy the ride and not care.
Spot on.
It also sounds like networking (parents) and nepotism (coaches/friends/admin staff) will always have a seat at the youth level table.
And high school level too- we’ve seen.
Anonymous
08/17/2023 18:34
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Does anyone know for sure how players are nominated/selected for these lists? I'm curious because the ECNL-RL lists came out today and DD's team had 3 players selected. Two of them are absolutely deserving of selection because they're outstanding players. The third player, however, is definitely in the bottom 25% of the team. How does that happen on a post-season recognition list?!?
Anonymous
08/17/2023 16:45
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Can somebody repost the link for the boys? The link earlier in the thread was for 21/22
I went to ECNL press release but for mid Atlantic boys first and second team it said ‘post has been removed’??
I went to ECNL press release but for mid Atlantic boys first and second team it said ‘post has been removed’??
Anonymous
08/17/2023 13:11
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Coach submission - nothing more
Give us an example of a player that should not have made it or one that should have? It's an anonymous board, go for it?
The Union 07s. The Loudoun 07s.
Anonymous
08/17/2023 10:54
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:The reality is for most youth selections in sports that are not timed, the "Coach's Eye" test, as well as networking/relationships, play a far bigger role than any metric. Why? Because there are no metrics (agreed to or otherwise) to use at the earliest stages. We do not have an extensive scouting system like other countries (or sports in this country) and can not afford the resources it would take to implement any sort of grassroots tracking.
There is nothing wrong with it as long as you are aware that is how the system works for players in the early ages. So, if a kid is in an academy or selected for an award in non-timed sports, there is just as likely a chance that the selection is because of talent as it could be due to selection bias.
At a certain point later, however, there must be some ability to succeed in the sport.
Here is a good study on it.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.596369/full
You don't have to read the whole thing. This is the important blurb.
"The findings suggest that, in isolation, coaches do not agree on the talent or potential of athletes. This indicates that the “coach's eye” is subjective and variable, and, given the same context, there is poor inter-coach agreement in the identification of talented athletes."
There is nothing really to complain about our system or other countries' systems. Some players don't catch the eye or ear of those that matter. This is true in big academy settings in Europe as well.
So, you can either network and be in the circle one way or another or have your player become so good that it is easy for all eyes to tell they are a standout.
Otherwise, just enjoy the ride and not care.
Spot on.
It also sounds like networking (parents) and nepotism (coaches/friends/admin staff) will always have a seat at the youth level table.
Anonymous
08/17/2023 10:42
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
The reality is for most youth selections in sports that are not timed, the "Coach's Eye" test, as well as networking/relationships, play a far bigger role than any metric. Why? Because there are no metrics (agreed to or otherwise) to use at the earliest stages. We do not have an extensive scouting system like other countries (or sports in this country) and can not afford the resources it would take to implement any sort of grassroots tracking.
There is nothing wrong with it as long as you are aware that is how the system works for players in the early ages. So, if a kid is in an academy or selected for an award in non-timed sports, there is just as likely a chance that the selection is because of talent as it could be due to selection bias.
At a certain point later, however, there must be some ability to succeed in the sport.
Here is a good study on it.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.596369/full
You don't have to read the whole thing. This is the important blurb.
"The findings suggest that, in isolation, coaches do not agree on the talent or potential of athletes. This indicates that the “coach's eye” is subjective and variable, and, given the same context, there is poor inter-coach agreement in the identification of talented athletes."
There is nothing really to complain about our system or other countries' systems. Some players don't catch the eye or ear of those that matter. This is true in big academy settings in Europe as well.
So, you can either network and be in the circle one way or another or have your player become so good that it is easy for all eyes to tell they are a standout.
Otherwise, just enjoy the ride and not care.
There is nothing wrong with it as long as you are aware that is how the system works for players in the early ages. So, if a kid is in an academy or selected for an award in non-timed sports, there is just as likely a chance that the selection is because of talent as it could be due to selection bias.
At a certain point later, however, there must be some ability to succeed in the sport.
Here is a good study on it.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspor.2020.596369/full
You don't have to read the whole thing. This is the important blurb.
"The findings suggest that, in isolation, coaches do not agree on the talent or potential of athletes. This indicates that the “coach's eye” is subjective and variable, and, given the same context, there is poor inter-coach agreement in the identification of talented athletes."
There is nothing really to complain about our system or other countries' systems. Some players don't catch the eye or ear of those that matter. This is true in big academy settings in Europe as well.
So, you can either network and be in the circle one way or another or have your player become so good that it is easy for all eyes to tell they are a standout.
Otherwise, just enjoy the ride and not care.
Anonymous
08/17/2023 09:43
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Decided the same way as everything in US soccer:
1. Nepotism
2. Cherry picking goals scored
3. Shiny object
4. Best dribbler
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95. Ability to play 2-touch
96. Defending
97. Makes everyone better
98. Assists
99. Movement off the ball
100. High soccer IQ
Just kidding, 95-100 aren't factored in at all.
Sadly this is pretty close.
Anonymous
08/16/2023 21:35
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Coach submission - nothing more
Totally.
Our striker made the list. He scored one regular season goal.
Anonymous
08/16/2023 21:02
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Coach submission - nothing more
Give us an example of a player that should not have made it or one that should have? It's an anonymous board, go for it?
Anonymous
08/16/2023 19:51
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Coach submission - nothing more
Anonymous
08/16/2023 18:54
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Sorry your superstar did not make it. Neither did mine.
How to say you know nothing about the local landscape of soccer without saying you know nothing about the local landscape of soccer.
Anonymous
08/16/2023 16:50
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Sorry your superstar did not make it. Neither did mine.
Anonymous
08/16/2023 16:38
Subject: Re:ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:Do you have the stats to show it isn’t?
Yes. 07 Mid-Atlantic list is a JOKE!
Anonymous
08/16/2023 16:05
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:All politics, like everything else in youth club soccer.
Lol - amen. It's whoever the coaches submits. And it's not always based on performance.
Anonymous
08/16/2023 15:11
Subject: ECNL All Conference
Anonymous wrote:do you actually follow youth soccer and other kids so much you feel you know who should be on this or not?
sort of creepy
Not youth soccer, but a local team. When said players are at best, the 10th or 11th best on the 2021-22 team, yes, i think it's perfectly ok to question the list. I mean when its obvious, all that is left to do is
