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Anonymous wrote:OP, it's gar too early for you to think about this for your perfectly average child. Once you get to the school, get to know parents with older children, you'll hear all about the pros vs cons of LLIV vs AAP at your school.

Who are you to say what's too early?

Anonymous wrote:OP, it's gar too early for you to think about this for your perfectly average child. Once you get to the school, get to know parents with older children, you'll hear all about the pros vs cons of LLIV vs AAP at your school.

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Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

Respectfully but I don’t think this PP is completely accurate on curriculum in LLIV. Ask anyone with a LLIV doing E3 math. It sounds like this PP may be confusing how their own LLIV chooses to do things with all LLIV.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/full-time-advanced-academic-program talks about LLIV

And from this website, the quoted below, which says essentially what I said. https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

Local Level IV and Level IV Center classes use the same full-time curriculum in the four core academic subject areas of language arts, math, science, and social studies. The teachers have the same professional development.

The difference is in the grouping practices. All students in Level IV Center classes have been found eligible through the central selection process, while Local Level IV classes may also include school-designated students for some or all four subject areas.

That is the quote out there but again, that does not account for E3 math which our LLIV as well as some others are doing. You can find previous posts about it.

Does that mean all LLIV have different curriculum from LIV? No.

But it means that not all LLIV follow the same curriculum as LIV.

That has been my point all along - LLIV varies depending on how the principal wants to run it. Centers get run by the rules.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

Respectfully but I don’t think this PP is completely accurate on curriculum in LLIV. Ask anyone with a LLIV doing E3 math. It sounds like this PP may be confusing how their own LLIV chooses to do things with all LLIV.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/full-time-advanced-academic-program talks about LLIV

And from this website, the quoted below, which says essentially what I said. https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/advanced-academic-level-iv-school

Local Level IV and Level IV Center classes use the same full-time curriculum in the four core academic subject areas of language arts, math, science, and social studies. The teachers have the same professional development.

The difference is in the grouping practices. All students in Level IV Center classes have been found eligible through the central selection process, while Local Level IV classes may also include school-designated students for some or all four subject areas.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

Respectfully but I don’t think this PP is completely accurate on curriculum in LLIV. Ask anyone with a LLIV doing E3 math. It sounds like this PP may be confusing how their own LLIV chooses to do things with all LLIV.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

Respectfully but I don’t think this PP is completely accurate on curriculum in LLIV. Ask anyone with a LLIV doing E3 math. It sounds like this PP may be confusing how their own LLIV chooses to do things with all LLIV.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

This is not completely accurate - LLIV classes use the AAP curriculum and must be taught by a teacher who has been through the training for AAP. However PP is correct in that the cluster model is a free for all. Some cluster schools just do differentiation - similar to when we were kids. My kids' ES uses the cluster model but teaches the AAP curriculum to all classes and then the kids switch for math instruction according to their math level (so there is one class that does advanced math, one that does slightly advanced math, and two that do grade level math). I thought it worked out really well because it meant my kid wasn't stuck with the same kids as last year* but still got advanced math and switching classes helped prep him for middle school.

* There was a LOT of bullying in the LLIV class and some of those girls needed to be separated. Before they switched to clustering, I was considering sending my son to the center to get away from them.

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell LIV at a center means every student was formally found eligible by the committee. A student never loses that designation (you don’t reapply or ever get “kicked out”). By the rules, no other students are in this classes and they follow the official AAP curriculum and pacing.

A LLIV, by definition not at a center, is pretty much unregulated and run how the principal wants. This includes what students make up the class (which can change any time) as well as that they don’t have to follow the LIV curriculum or pacing. Some might still follow it, but not all do nor do they have to. The cluster model some schools use just has a small group of AAP students in an otherwise gen ed class, and therefore is unlikely to follow full AAP curriculum and pacing.

There are pros and cons to the tradeoffs between the two, the details of which depend on which center school and which base/local level iv. If at a great local school you may jot care about the center. You have to trust the principal a lot at a local since they can do pretty much whatever they want.

Anonymous wrote:Question: what are the high-SES schools/school zones?