Anonymous
08/04/2023 15:36
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
Which top 6 law schools give merit full-rides? I didn't know full-rides were a thing for very highly ranked schools.
It’s not -signed Harvard law grad
Anonymous
08/04/2023 11:44
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
Which top 6 law schools give merit full-rides? I didn't know full-rides were a thing for very highly ranked schools.
Chicago, Columbia, NYU - it’s about the only way they win cross-admits away from Yale, Stanford and Harvard
Stanford also has a full-ride graduate fellowship - the Knight-Hennessy - which is awarded to a few law students every year (along with students in all its other grad programs) but that seems to be almost at Rhodes level of selectivity
Anonymous
08/04/2023 11:29
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
Which top 6 law schools give merit full-rides? I didn't know full-rides were a thing for very highly ranked schools.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 11:25
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please encourage them to work before going straight from undergrad to law school and, as others have said, at a law firm. I loved being a paralegal at 22 and ultimately decided not to go to law school. I also made a ton of money, worked really hard and developed a very good work ethic.
Can I ask what you do now? Are you still a paralegal?
Nope. I transitioned in house and managed a company’s intellectual property and contracts portfolio for about 5 years. Then I got a masters in international relations and work in development finance.
I will always be grateful for my big firm experience. The lawyers I worked with were smart and motivated. I worked on big high profile litigation cases. The firm moved me across the country. I got to travel. I have no idea how much has changed for paralegals in the last 20 years but as a new grad, I loved it. But during that time, only one partner encouraged me to go to law school. Everyone else told me to pick a different career.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 11:18
Subject: Re:Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why don’t y’all let your kids figure this stuff out?
Among the dumbest comments that I have ever read.
Or someone who wants to opportunity hoard. In the DC area there are a lot of lawyers who have a lot of inside knowledge and have been helping their kids intuitively for years go that route. If your kid doesn't have that, they are at a disadvantage.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 09:58
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Lawyers have very high rates of suicide, depression, divorce, drug/alcohol dependency - especially among the dudes. I highly recommend that he work in a large law firm to make sure that this is a career that we wants to commit to, minimum two years. There are many other things that he would likely excel at that would have less potential toxicity. It sounds like he will not have a lot of student debt given the tone of your message, but for many that is also a consideration to weigh carefully.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 09:51
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Please encourage them to work before going straight from undergrad to law school and, as others have said, at a law firm. I loved being a paralegal at 22 and ultimately decided not to go to law school. I also made a ton of money, worked really hard and developed a very good work ethic.
Can I ask what you do now? Are you still a paralegal?
Anonymous
08/04/2023 09:29
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
OP here. How have ur kids done since then?
The first one is about to start third year - doing great in school, as has always been the case. Job search is a little bit of a worry as kid opted out of OCI - wants to do public interest and has minimal debt thanks to full scholarship. But recently landed a COA clerkship for after graduation, so that will help with the eventual job search (and postpones it in the meantime).
Second one is starting law school in the fall - if history is our guide, won't do as well as the first one in school but will be more successful in the world beyond the classroom
Anonymous
08/03/2023 23:11
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
OP here. How have ur kids done since then?
A lot changed between 2020 and 2023 - that makes a difference. Quality of college makes a difference. Getting awards make a difference. f your other child got at least a 172 on the LSAT that would have helped a bit. Also gender matters, more females apply to law school. The work experience could have helped your second child if they were closer to the medians. Every T14 school has a median LSAT of at least 170 so it is a disadvantage to be in the 160s.
Anonymous
08/03/2023 22:43
Subject: Re:Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Why don’t y’all let your kids figure this stuff out?
Among the dumbest comments that I have ever read.
Anonymous
08/03/2023 21:36
Subject: Re:Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Why don’t y’all let your kids figure this stuff out?
Because kids - even smart ones - are pretty blind about how the world works. Also, they aren’t great planners. They don’t tend to realize that things they might want to do in a year or two requires prerequisites, etc. Parents can help a kid with these items.
Anonymous
08/03/2023 21:06
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:Ideally he would not work during the school year because the most important thing is to have time to focus on his studies and get high grades. [/quote
Well the reality is most kids don’t have parents giving handouts to them every week so he really doesn’t have a choice especially may kids pay their own way through college regardless if they r going to professional school after
Anonymous
08/03/2023 20:59
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Ideally he would not work during the school year because the most important thing is to have time to focus on his studies and get high grades.
Anonymous
08/03/2023 20:57
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Please encourage them to work before going straight from undergrad to law school and, as others have said, at a law firm. I loved being a paralegal at 22 and ultimately decided not to go to law school. I also made a ton of money, worked really hard and developed a very good work ethic.
Anonymous
08/03/2023 20:50
Subject: Best jobs for pre law student
Anonymous wrote:These are real-life examples from the past 3 years, as LSAT scores have soared with online test administration and undergrad GPAs have soared during remote learning
One of my kids had perfect GPA and LSAT and strong academic achievements, but had literally never held a job - got in everywhere except Yale, received multiple Top 6 full-ride offers
The other had near-perfect GPA, a high 160s LSAT, and 3 years work experience in a US Attorney's Office, including as senior paralegal on a very high-profile trial, with a glowing letter of recommendation from the attorney on that case - shut out of the Top 14
If that real-world legal experience didn't make up for an LSAT <170 I can't imagine what undergrad part-time job would. It's all GPA and LSAT
OP here. How have ur kids done since then?