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Anonymous wrote:Do airlines not have a maximum? Say 2 drinks per flight or something?

And no one needs more than 2 drinks (or any drinks at all) on an overseas flight. If you do, you have a massive problem.

International Flights have the alcohol flowing the entire flight. I was stuck next to a man once who was already drunk before boarding the flight, and continued to drink every time the flight attendants came down the aisle offering to top passengers off with wine and other spirits. Luckily the guy cut himself off by passing out.

Interestingly I was on an international flight last fall that was significantly delayed. Apparently a couple of passengers whiled away the time drinking. We boarded the plane but then were delayed again while the airline deboarded the 2 drunk passengers and their bags, I assume for being too drunk or belligerent. So it does seem like airlines are taking a harder line on this recently.

Anonymous wrote:These "what could they have done" posts are wild. Weren't flight attendants duct taping people to their chairs last year for cutting up? Didn't a flight get *turned around* this week because a guy called a flight attendant a waitress? Like, when did these "treat us like air marshals" flight attendants become so helpless?

Or is it just when a woman and teenaged girl are the victims, it's not particularly compelling?j

Sky waitresses revert to being sky waitresses when they choose. Otherwise, you have to respect their authority or end up duct taped and arrested

These "what could they have done" posts are wild. Weren't flight attendants duct taping people to their chairs last year for cutting up? Didn't a flight get *turned around* this week because a guy called a flight attendant a waitress? Like, when did these "treat us like air marshals" flight attendants become so helpless?

Or is it just when a woman and teenaged girl are the victims, it's not particularly compelling?j

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

There were lots of things they could have done. Cut off the drinks. Restrain him. Move him to a jump seat in the back of the plane. Ask for volunteers. People have been restrained for less.

I agree with the bolded. But your response doesn't address the question I asked that you quoted. How should the crew have "found passengers to switch" without asking/coercing them to be new potential victims?

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a young teen and her mom who are looking for a passenger(s) to swith seats with them. If you are willing to switch seats, please press your 'call attendant' light and a flight attendant will explain further".
And I think many flight attendants have coupons they can give people towards future flights, as a reward for the kind people who might take this seat. Preferably two huge lineback types.

Anonymous wrote:The pilots should have been alerted and the flight diverted to land as soon as possible. The mom and daughter should have been moved to jump seats and the flight attendants could have sat in mom and daughter’s seats during the landing.

It was a transatlantic flight.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

There were lots of things they could have done. Cut off the drinks. Restrain him. Move him to a jump seat in the back of the plane. Ask for volunteers. People have been restrained for less.

I agree with the bolded. But your response doesn't address the question I asked that you quoted. How should the crew have "found passengers to switch" without asking/coercing them to be new potential victims?

The pilots should have been alerted and the flight diverted to land as soon as possible. The mom and daughter should have been moved to jump seats and the flight attendants could have sat in mom and daughter’s seats during the landing.

I thought they cut people off at 3?

I believe that they should have a restraining device, like fabric handcuffs, available on every flight.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?

There were lots of things they could have done. Cut off the drinks. Restrain him. Move him to a jump seat in the back of the plane. Ask for volunteers. People have been restrained for less.

Holy cow! He should have been arrested.

Anonymous wrote:Do airlines not have a maximum? Say 2 drinks per flight or something?

And no one needs more than 2 drinks (or any drinks at all) on an overseas flight. If you do, you have a massive problem.

International Flights have the alcohol flowing the entire flight. I was stuck next to a man once who was already drunk before boarding the flight, and continued to drink every time the flight attendants came down the aisle offering to top passengers off with wine and other spirits. Luckily the guy cut himself off by passing out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

They need to be fired. The reason they did not interfere is that they were probably scared for their own safety, and probably thought a ton of alcohol would make him go to sleep. Flight attendants are routinely harassed. It does not excuse their neglect of passengers, obviously! But, it explains why they did what they did. The result shows that they do not belong in the skies.

They sat back and allowed a minor to be assaulted. They should be sitting in Rikers considering their actions

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Anonymous wrote:If the other male passenger hadn't offered to switch seats with the daughter, where could they have moved the drunk guy to (assuming it was a fully booked flight like so many are these days?)
Is the flight crew able to put such a passenger in the crew "break area?"
Where do they put passengers that need to be restrained on full flights?

The flight attendants could have asked male passengers to switch seats with the mother and daughter. The fact that they didn't even try is the problem.

I bet if they mentioned that passenger was harassing a mother and daughter there would be more than one man who would volunteer to switch. Frankly, I sit near my late ES kids, but in that situation, I would move away from my kids to keep this girl from having to be harassed further.

Flight attendants won't even ask people to switch so that little kids can sit next to their parents. No way will a flight attendant ask another passenger to put themselves in a dangerous situation. If a flight attendant specifically singled out a passenger and put them in that place, and then the drunk man proceeded to assault yet ANOTHER passenger, that would have been even worse.
In the case of the mother and daughter, the crew was unaware that the drunk man would be assaulting them before it happened.
If they are fully aware of the probability of assault, and they coerce/force a passenger to put themselves in harms way, that's even more of a liability.

Anonymous wrote:If the other male passenger hadn't offered to switch seats with the daughter, where could they have moved the drunk guy to (assuming it was a fully booked flight like so many are these days?)
Is the flight crew able to put such a passenger in the crew "break area?"
Where do they put passengers that need to be restrained on full flights?

The flight attendants could have asked male passengers to switch seats with the mother and daughter. The fact that they didn't even try is the problem.

I bet if they mentioned that passenger was harassing a mother and daughter there would be more than one man who would volunteer to switch. Frankly, I sit near my late ES kids, but in that situation, I would move away from my kids to keep this girl from having to be harassed further.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they get every dime of the $2M lawsuit they followed and he needs to be locked up.

Delta’s actions are despicable.

https://people.com/delta-passenger-sexually-assaulted-mom-and-teen-daughter-lawsuit-7567357

The flight attendants belong in jail.

Absolutely, they made so many errors including some criminal ones.

They should have stopped serving him long before that point. They should have found passengers to switch seats with both victims. And they should have alerted airport security at the destination that there was an alleged crime on board the aircraft and that the security and/or local police needed to be on-site before the plane landed to detain the accused, and take statements from the alleged victims. For them not to do the latter is criminal and all of the attendants should be charged with aiding and abetting sexual assault.

Who and how? It's wonderful that the other man volunteered, but you really think the the crew should have FORCED that upon another passenger?