Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have noticed airports in the US are getting worse. I think it had to do with the overall culture in the US. No work ethic and people no longer care.

The same goes for others services as well.

I was going to say - well umm... because we are gross!

Everything is grosser here! That's not totally gross in that by and far away, Europe smokes more cigarettes and Rome is filled with litter (but that's actually not unlike most US cities), etc. BUT their bathrooms with non self flushing toilets - let me tell you - NOT gross at all. Cleaner than our self flushing toilets by FAR. I think it really comes down to culture.

We are gross, fat, lazy and not the most aware of people in the US. That is definitely not applicable for 100% of Americans but it is to a fair extent true. That doesn't mean they are cleaner or "better" in these ways in other country than us but culturally, come on, of course or bathrooms in major public places tend to be grosser. I kid you not I was shocked at how clean every public bathroom I went to in Rome was. Now it was different in the stalls where it was literally just a hole and not a toilet - that was smelly and nasty but that's the equiv of a portapotty so I can understand that.

+100

Americans have given up on service and now take zero pride in their work. Then they feel entitled to everything and high compensation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just flew out of Logan. It was one of the nastiest places I've been in an a loooong time. Bathrooms were basically not cleaned at all with water and trash everywhere. There was trash, food debris, and nasty grime all over the floors and seats everywhere in the terminal. Seats and walls absolutely gross with black sludge between them and on walls. Planes absolutely filthy. Just a really nasty nasty experience. Europe often has airports dirty like many American airports, but why don't you ever see major airports this bad in Asia? The cleanliness in airports in Japan, Korea, and heck, even Thailand are way better.

My skin still crawls thinking about how nasty Logan was. God knows what I stepped on while trying to use the restroom there.

Boston is the 29th largest city in the US. Do you want to compare Logan to airports in the 29th largest city in Thailand?

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

There are no fewer immigrants these days.

Incorrect.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html

Numbers have been dropping significantly since 2016. 2022 saw a bump back up, but still below previous levels. This is legal immigration- the drop in total immigration is more significant. This has been a very big driver in the labor crunch in low skill jobs, especially construction and why construction prices continue to rise even without major supply chain issues.

Yup! But facts are inconvenient when all you want to do is complain about dirty airports, how no one cares about service and hard work anymore, yadda yadda yadda.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just flew out of Logan. It was one of the nastiest places I've been in an a loooong time. Bathrooms were basically not cleaned at all with water and trash everywhere. There was trash, food debris, and nasty grime all over the floors and seats everywhere in the terminal. Seats and walls absolutely gross with black sludge between them and on walls. Planes absolutely filthy. Just a really nasty nasty experience. Europe often has airports dirty like many American airports, but why don't you ever see major airports this bad in Asia? The cleanliness in airports in Japan, Korea, and heck, even Thailand are way better.

My skin still crawls thinking about how nasty Logan was. God knows what I stepped on while trying to use the restroom there.

Boston is the 29th largest city in the US. Do you want to compare Logan to airports in the 29th largest city in Thailand?

Boston is #11. We go by MSAs since airports draw from the entire area:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

There are no fewer immigrants these days.

Incorrect.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2022/12/net-international-migration-returns-to-pre-pandemic-levels.html

Numbers have been dropping significantly since 2016. 2022 saw a bump back up, but still below previous levels. This is legal immigration- the drop in total immigration is more significant. This has been a very big driver in the labor crunch in low skill jobs, especially construction and why construction prices continue to rise even without major supply chain issues.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

There are no fewer immigrants these days.

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just flew out of Logan. It was one of the nastiest places I've been in an a loooong time. Bathrooms were basically not cleaned at all with water and trash everywhere. There was trash, food debris, and nasty grime all over the floors and seats everywhere in the terminal. Seats and walls absolutely gross with black sludge between them and on walls. Planes absolutely filthy. Just a really nasty nasty experience. Europe often has airports dirty like many American airports, but why don't you ever see major airports this bad in Asia? The cleanliness in airports in Japan, Korea, and heck, even Thailand are way better.

My skin still crawls thinking about how nasty Logan was. God knows what I stepped on while trying to use the restroom there.

Boston is the 29th largest city in the US. Do you want to compare Logan to airports in the 29th largest city in Thailand?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just flew out of Logan. It was one of the nastiest places I've been in an a loooong time. Bathrooms were basically not cleaned at all with water and trash everywhere. There was trash, food debris, and nasty grime all over the floors and seats everywhere in the terminal. Seats and walls absolutely gross with black sludge between them and on walls. Planes absolutely filthy. Just a really nasty nasty experience. Europe often has airports dirty like many American airports, but why don't you ever see major airports this bad in Asia? The cleanliness in airports in Japan, Korea, and heck, even Thailand are way better.

My skin still crawls thinking about how nasty Logan was. God knows what I stepped on while trying to use the restroom there.

Boston is the 29th largest city in the US. Do you want to compare Logan to airports in the 29th largest city in Thailand?

Anonymous wrote:I’m going to guess it’s a combination of a couple of things:

1. The companies cleaning services are contracted out to are generally terrible employers that pay the lowest possible wage. In the current labor market, it’s harder to get and keep staff unless you pay more and improve work conditions.

2. All of the anti-immigration rhetoric has driven anti-immigration policy, which means…fewer immigrants! This reduces the labor force, which means labor is in demand, which means (see #1).

Anonymous wrote:Just flew out of Logan. It was one of the nastiest places I've been in an a loooong time. Bathrooms were basically not cleaned at all with water and trash everywhere. There was trash, food debris, and nasty grime all over the floors and seats everywhere in the terminal. Seats and walls absolutely gross with black sludge between them and on walls. Planes absolutely filthy. Just a really nasty nasty experience. Europe often has airports dirty like many American airports, but why don't you ever see major airports this bad in Asia? The cleanliness in airports in Japan, Korea, and heck, even Thailand are way better.

My skin still crawls thinking about how nasty Logan was. God knows what I stepped on while trying to use the restroom there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have noticed airports in the US are getting worse. I think it had to do with the overall culture in the US. No work ethic and people no longer care.

The same goes for others services as well.

I agree with this. I flew to Dulles recently after stopping at a couple of Scandinavian airports and the level of service, cleanliness and functionality at Dulles was shockingly bad. I have lived in the US for 15 years and the country has declined significantly in that time. The infrastructure is deteriorating and people don't care. Americans have no longer any pride left in their country.