Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 06:35     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't care now that they are getting a payout from the success of the men's team .


When has the mens team ever succeeded?


Have the women succeeded at winning the men's World Cup? You know, the competition that drives the money.


I think the women have as many knock out stage wins in the mens world cup as the men do.


Now do appearances...


Now do Championships
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 05:51     Subject: Women’s World Cup

Spain beat Vietnam with 3x the points we did so maybe their team isn't that bad.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 05:01     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think other countries will be able to beat USA this year? It’s USA doing enough to keep winning championships?
I know football is growing a lot with girls in Europe and in Brazil and Argentina.


I'd look at England giving the US a tough time. I think we are falling behind in one area: Academy Development. In England, they now have residential girls academies nested with the big Premier League Clubs. Other clubs in Europe are now planning for girls academies as well. There are a few youtube videos about girls in England at the age of 16 being selected and training full time at these academies. I haven't read much more than this, but it would seem NWSL should have a developmental program on par with MLS's homegrown academy players. In this regard, we are likely to see European nations start to advance their game more than the US in the next 3-5 years.



Until the US ditches the pay to play model (hint: never going to happen), and starts developing raw talent for every player, we will keep on falling behind
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 00:39     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:US didn't look great in their opener against Vietnam - hope the goal differential doesn't hurt them later. Enjoyed seeing the familiar and new faces though!


They have a pretty weak group and will easily get through the group stage. There are only 2-3 teams that have a realistic chance to win it. The US has the best odds(+250) followed by England(+400) and Spain(+400). +250 odds would pay $250 for every $100 wager

Spain does not have their A team which is a disgrace. If they did they might be favored to win it. Germany is a really physical athletic team but sits at +700. They are not a good match up for the US.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 00:25     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:USNT looked a southwest awful against Vietnam and Vietnam didn’t even get a shot on goal. We also got rattled way too easily. These women were half the size of our players yet throwing us down like rag dolls. That should have been handled on the field to let those players know they are t getting away with it- if ref wasn’t going to do anything.

Alex had a good assist, but was way off tonight.


34 years old. That’s 5 to 6 years past her prime. She is slower and older now. You just do not see a lot of 34 year old forwards in top leagues.

Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 23:37     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
US didn't look great in their opener against Vietnam - hope the goal differential doesn't hurt them later. Enjoyed seeing the familiar and new faces though!
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 23:32     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:USNT looked a southwest awful against Vietnam and Vietnam didn’t even get a shot on goal. We also got rattled way too easily. These women were half the size of our players yet throwing us down like rag dolls. That should have been handled on the field to let those players know they are t getting away with it- if ref wasn’t going to do anything.

Alex had a good assist, but was way off tonight.



Argentina lost to Saudi on the 1st game and won the World Cup. I don't think the first game means anything.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 23:19     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
^ no idea why it typed southwest
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 23:19     Subject: Re:Women’s World Cup
USNT looked a southwest awful against Vietnam and Vietnam didn’t even get a shot on goal. We also got rattled way too easily. These women were half the size of our players yet throwing us down like rag dolls. That should have been handled on the field to let those players know they are t getting away with it- if ref wasn’t going to do anything.

Alex had a good assist, but was way off tonight.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 22:49     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think other countries will be able to beat USA this year? It’s USA doing enough to keep winning championships?
I know football is growing a lot with girls in Europe and in Brazil and Argentina.


I'd look at England giving the US a tough time. I think we are falling behind in one area: Academy Development. In England, they now have residential girls academies nested with the big Premier League Clubs. Other clubs in Europe are now planning for girls academies as well. There are a few youtube videos about girls in England at the age of 16 being selected and training full time at these academies. I haven't read much more than this, but it would seem NWSL should have a developmental program on par with MLS's homegrown academy players. In this regard, we are likely to see European nations start to advance their game more than the US in the next 3-5 years.



There was a pretty lengthy article on Yahoo Sports a couple days ago talking about the USWNT pipeline. Got into the whole DA failure and how with GA and ECNL and whatever else is out there, there is no straightforward path to identifying the best talent for WNT. This in comparison to other countries who are closing the gap by modeling their women's programs after their men's programs. U20 competitions were cited as to how our youth is not keeping up. THe counter point was that we have such a huge nation with so much available talent that we can still maintain our level despite not having a better plan for identifying, training, etc girls from a younger level.


The US is actually behind the European's at this point in developing players The development in Spain is crazy. I have seen the women's barca team play. Those women would easily beat the USWNT 9 out of 10 times.

ECNL is not cutting. It is just a development league for college and college is way behind the Europeans. The majority of the college teams are not even competitive.

Women's European soccer is beginning to pay more and get bigger crowds. Look at the women's champion league finals last year. Spain is leaving a lot of their best players home b/c of the problem with the coach. It's a shame. That team would to run away with it.

The athletic gap has closed. Now if that is the way the US will continue you can not roll out players way past their prime. Prime in soccer being under 28.


When MLS teams are worth as much as Premier League or La Liga teams and decide to field the breadth of teams that clubs do (FC Barca fields volleyball, handball, roller hockey, and basketball in addition to soccer teams) then the US can talk about development. Realistically, just like the Rangers aren't paying for roller hockey teams and the Lakers could care less about volleyball, MLS teams will likely never care about girls developmental leagues


Unfortunately MLS in the states will never have a girls academy or women’s team. They would get sue for unequal pay. The European clubs can pay the women less vs the men but use the clubs facilities and staff.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2023 14:07     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think other countries will be able to beat USA this year? It’s USA doing enough to keep winning championships?
I know football is growing a lot with girls in Europe and in Brazil and Argentina.


I'd look at England giving the US a tough time. I think we are falling behind in one area: Academy Development. In England, they now have residential girls academies nested with the big Premier League Clubs. Other clubs in Europe are now planning for girls academies as well. There are a few youtube videos about girls in England at the age of 16 being selected and training full time at these academies. I haven't read much more than this, but it would seem NWSL should have a developmental program on par with MLS's homegrown academy players. In this regard, we are likely to see European nations start to advance their game more than the US in the next 3-5 years.



There was a pretty lengthy article on Yahoo Sports a couple days ago talking about the USWNT pipeline. Got into the whole DA failure and how with GA and ECNL and whatever else is out there, there is no straightforward path to identifying the best talent for WNT. This in comparison to other countries who are closing the gap by modeling their women's programs after their men's programs. U20 competitions were cited as to how our youth is not keeping up. THe counter point was that we have such a huge nation with so much available talent that we can still maintain our level despite not having a better plan for identifying, training, etc girls from a younger level.


The US is actually behind the European's at this point in developing players The development in Spain is crazy. I have seen the women's barca team play. Those women would easily beat the USWNT 9 out of 10 times.

ECNL is not cutting. It is just a development league for college and college is way behind the Europeans. The majority of the college teams are not even competitive.

Women's European soccer is beginning to pay more and get bigger crowds. Look at the women's champion league finals last year. Spain is leaving a lot of their best players home b/c of the problem with the coach. It's a shame. That team would to run away with it.

The athletic gap has closed. Now if that is the way the US will continue you can not roll out players way past their prime. Prime in soccer being under 28.


When MLS teams are worth as much as Premier League or La Liga teams and decide to field the breadth of teams that clubs do (FC Barca fields volleyball, handball, roller hockey, and basketball in addition to soccer teams) then the US can talk about development. Realistically, just like the Rangers aren't paying for roller hockey teams and the Lakers could care less about volleyball, MLS teams will likely never care about girls developmental leagues


If you look at the valuations/market value of worldwide clubs based on the analysis of Forbes, Sportico, etc., there are MLS teams that are already there. The 2 LA teams and Atlanta are in the Top 20 of Forbes list. As much as most of us would like pro/rel, if you were a billionaire and a year ago had the chance to buy Leeds, Leicester or LAFC, which would you want now? Unfortunately, I think the US model is more likely to get exported (already has to Liga MX) than vice versa. Which means, ultimately, many MLS clubs (like our local one) are fenced in from relegation and content to ride the league’s coattails and not actually do anything to advance the youth game, for boys or girls.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2023 11:40     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think other countries will be able to beat USA this year? It’s USA doing enough to keep winning championships?
I know football is growing a lot with girls in Europe and in Brazil and Argentina.


I'd look at England giving the US a tough time. I think we are falling behind in one area: Academy Development. In England, they now have residential girls academies nested with the big Premier League Clubs. Other clubs in Europe are now planning for girls academies as well. There are a few youtube videos about girls in England at the age of 16 being selected and training full time at these academies. I haven't read much more than this, but it would seem NWSL should have a developmental program on par with MLS's homegrown academy players. In this regard, we are likely to see European nations start to advance their game more than the US in the next 3-5 years.



There was a pretty lengthy article on Yahoo Sports a couple days ago talking about the USWNT pipeline. Got into the whole DA failure and how with GA and ECNL and whatever else is out there, there is no straightforward path to identifying the best talent for WNT. This in comparison to other countries who are closing the gap by modeling their women's programs after their men's programs. U20 competitions were cited as to how our youth is not keeping up. THe counter point was that we have such a huge nation with so much available talent that we can still maintain our level despite not having a better plan for identifying, training, etc girls from a younger level.


The US is actually behind the European's at this point in developing players The development in Spain is crazy. I have seen the women's barca team play. Those women would easily beat the USWNT 9 out of 10 times.

ECNL is not cutting. It is just a development league for college and college is way behind the Europeans. The majority of the college teams are not even competitive.

Women's European soccer is beginning to pay more and get bigger crowds. Look at the women's champion league finals last year. Spain is leaving a lot of their best players home b/c of the problem with the coach. It's a shame. That team would to run away with it.

The athletic gap has closed. Now if that is the way the US will continue you can not roll out players way past their prime. Prime in soccer being under 28.


When MLS teams are worth as much as Premier League or La Liga teams and decide to field the breadth of teams that clubs do (FC Barca fields volleyball, handball, roller hockey, and basketball in addition to soccer teams) then the US can talk about development. Realistically, just like the Rangers aren't paying for roller hockey teams and the Lakers could care less about volleyball, MLS teams will likely never care about girls developmental leagues
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2023 10:42     Subject: Women’s World Cup
What?! I have no comment on topic but just here to say that I am floored that I can now post on the soccer thread! When did this start? Been out of town a few weeks so apparently missed this.

Oh, all the questions that I've had about ECNL I can now ask Thank you, Jeff!
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2023 10:34     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you think other countries will be able to beat USA this year? It’s USA doing enough to keep winning championships?
I know football is growing a lot with girls in Europe and in Brazil and Argentina.


I'd look at England giving the US a tough time. I think we are falling behind in one area: Academy Development. In England, they now have residential girls academies nested with the big Premier League Clubs. Other clubs in Europe are now planning for girls academies as well. There are a few youtube videos about girls in England at the age of 16 being selected and training full time at these academies. I haven't read much more than this, but it would seem NWSL should have a developmental program on par with MLS's homegrown academy players. In this regard, we are likely to see European nations start to advance their game more than the US in the next 3-5 years.



There was a pretty lengthy article on Yahoo Sports a couple days ago talking about the USWNT pipeline. Got into the whole DA failure and how with GA and ECNL and whatever else is out there, there is no straightforward path to identifying the best talent for WNT. This in comparison to other countries who are closing the gap by modeling their women's programs after their men's programs. U20 competitions were cited as to how our youth is not keeping up. THe counter point was that we have such a huge nation with so much available talent that we can still maintain our level despite not having a better plan for identifying, training, etc girls from a younger level.


The US is actually behind the European's at this point in developing players The development in Spain is crazy. I have seen the women's barca team play. Those women would easily beat the USWNT 9 out of 10 times.

ECNL is not cutting. It is just a development league for college and college is way behind the Europeans. The majority of the college teams are not even competitive.

Women's European soccer is beginning to pay more and get bigger crowds. Look at the women's champion league finals last year. Spain is leaving a lot of their best players home b/c of the problem with the coach. It's a shame. That team would to run away with it.

The athletic gap has closed. Now if that is the way the US will continue you can not roll out players way past their prime. Prime in soccer being under 28.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2023 07:56     Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:I don't care now that they are getting a payout from the success of the men's team .


Finally. After all those years where the women were the only successful ones.

I fully expect all the people obsessed with transgender athletes and the integrity of women’s sports to be fully supportive both of that pay decision and also rooting loudly for their success in New Zealand. Glad to see them be so supportive of women’s sports finally. Looking forward to that consistency.