Anonymous
07/17/2023 16:17
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Yes and no. The local meets work around summer swim. I know a lot of club swimmers that will scratch after All Star Relay carnival or scratch from Sunday night finals. If kids are going for NVSL records and their team needs them, they will go for it.
I know no club swimmers that are scratching club events and champs meets because of summer league. At our club the coaches wouldn’t allow it.
Things are very different depending on true championship meet (PVS vs those traveling to NCSA/Futures/Zones), age, coaches, etc.
The majority of my kid's training group aren't swimming a PVS meet, or may swim one day, and definitely might scratch those finals because it isn't their full taper/focus meet.
My kid swam in an PVS open final Saturday that couldn't fill the C final. Another kid on our summer team specifically didn't swim the PVS events Saturday to be at our summer meet.
The 12&u and 13+ meets are scheduled without Saturday morning events, that is not the case for the open meet.
It sounds like you’re talking about older kids. We’re talking about a 12&u meet. There are no higher meets coming unless they are doing Zones, and that is not a replacement at this age.
+1 regarding Zones. While Champs wasn't perfect, it was a nice cap for my daughter's LC season. That said, she's exhausted between summer swim and LC meets - it's not the competitive meets - but rather the daily practices that take their toll on 12&U kids. Don't forget, they're just kids. Let them enjoy the rest of their summer....
Anonymous
07/17/2023 11:23
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Yes and no. The local meets work around summer swim. I know a lot of club swimmers that will scratch after All Star Relay carnival or scratch from Sunday night finals. If kids are going for NVSL records and their team needs them, they will go for it.
I know no club swimmers that are scratching club events and champs meets because of summer league. At our club the coaches wouldn’t allow it.
Things are very different depending on true championship meet (PVS vs those traveling to NCSA/Futures/Zones), age, coaches, etc.
The majority of my kid's training group aren't swimming a PVS meet, or may swim one day, and definitely might scratch those finals because it isn't their full taper/focus meet.
My kid swam in an PVS open final Saturday that couldn't fill the C final. Another kid on our summer team specifically didn't swim the PVS events Saturday to be at our summer meet.
The 12&u and 13+ meets are scheduled without Saturday morning events, that is not the case for the open meet.
It sounds like you’re talking about older kids. We’re talking about a 12&u meet. There are no higher meets coming unless they are doing Zones, and that is not a replacement at this age.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 11:16
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Yes and no. The local meets work around summer swim. I know a lot of club swimmers that will scratch after All Star Relay carnival or scratch from Sunday night finals. If kids are going for NVSL records and their team needs them, they will go for it.
I know no club swimmers that are scratching club events and champs meets because of summer league. At our club the coaches wouldn’t allow it.
Things are very different depending on true championship meet (PVS vs those traveling to NCSA/Futures/Zones), age, coaches, etc.
The majority of my kid's training group aren't swimming a PVS meet, or may swim one day, and definitely might scratch those finals because it isn't their full taper/focus meet.
My kid swam in an PVS open final Saturday that couldn't fill the C final. Another kid on our summer team specifically didn't swim the PVS events Saturday to be at our summer meet.
The 12&u and 13+ meets are scheduled without Saturday morning events, that is not the case for the open meet.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 10:35
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Finals are a mess on Saturdays and Sundays at these meets, so many kids no show.
Saturday was timed finals and there weren’t any no-shows, and there was a grand total of 4 NS over 14 events on Sunday night.
Perhaps the no shows were at Open Champs, rather than 12 and under champs?
Anonymous
07/17/2023 09:58
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Finals are a mess on Saturdays and Sundays at these meets, so many kids no show.
Saturday was timed finals and there weren’t any no-shows, and there was a grand total of 4 NS over 14 events on Sunday night.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 09:51
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Yes and no. The local meets work around summer swim. I know a lot of club swimmers that will scratch after All Star Relay carnival or scratch from Sunday night finals. If kids are going for NVSL records and their team needs them, they will go for it.
I know no club swimmers that are scratching club events and champs meets because of summer league. At our club the coaches wouldn’t allow it.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 08:51
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Finals are a mess on Saturdays and Sundays at these meets, so many kids no show.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 08:14
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Yes and no. The local meets work around summer swim. I know a lot of club swimmers that will scratch after All Star Relay carnival or scratch from Sunday night finals. If kids are going for NVSL records and their team needs them, they will go for it.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 07:56
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
PP here- I do agree PVS should subsidize it more if they actually want to win
Anonymous
07/17/2023 07:55
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Why is Zones so expensive? My kid has a few cuts but zero chance I am spending that mush for a meet at their age
It’s team travel this year so five or so nights of lodging, transport, food, meet entries, merch
Anonymous
07/17/2023 07:23
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Why is Zones so expensive? My kid has a few cuts but zero chance I am spending that mush for a meet at their age
Anonymous
07/17/2023 04:55
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:The older faster swimmers have sectionals, NCSAs, Futures, and JNats coming up. They might skip this meet, or swim to get a current time in an off event. A few do skip finals, other coaches discourage it since it gives an extra opportunity to race.
The 12u swimmers- few go to zones, even if they have qualified. It’s so darn expensive! That makes PVS champs their culminating LC meet.
Anonymous
07/17/2023 04:54
Subject: PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
The older faster swimmers have sectionals, NCSAs, Futures, and JNats coming up. They might skip this meet, or swim to get a current time in an off event. A few do skip finals, other coaches discourage it since it gives an extra opportunity to race.
The 12u swimmers- few go to zones, even if they have qualified. It’s so darn expensive! That makes PCS champs their culminating LC meet.
The 12u swimmers- few go to zones, even if they have qualified. It’s so darn expensive! That makes PCS champs their culminating LC meet.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 23:47
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This is true no matter the location, LC season just isn’t the same.
I will say it doesn’t get any better for the older kids. Fewer of them attend, many scratch finals, people are working around summer league schedules. The big travel meets are pretty good, but local PVS meets are blah.
The best club swimmers are not scratching finals and “working around” summer league schedules. Summer is rec league, when it comes down to the choice between summer swim and a PVS meet, the best swimmers prioritize the PVS meets.
Everyone does stuff differently. I know of swimmers who skipped A meets on Saturday and I know do swimmers who scratched finals in PVS bc they were exhausted.
Anonymous
07/16/2023 23:38
Subject: Re:PVS 12U at Claude Moorw
Anonymous wrote:Having long course champs at Claude Moore just makes it feel so blah….
Short course champs at UMD just have a different vibe to them and feel like a real championship meet
Long course champs are pretty ho hum
This was the sentiment expressed by my DD and her teammates. They do not like Claude Moore and the way the meet was run did not feel like a champs meet.