Anonymous wrote:It depends on how connected they are, their rank etc. I’ve seen people disciplined/fired for next to nothing, and I have seen people who’ve committed truly egregious offenses get less than a slap on the wrist.

As we know, life is not fair.

Yup. I've also seen someone high up do something terrible to someone much lower ranked, and watched as the lower ranked person was punished (often informally via simply being shut out of projects, not getting promoted, being socially excluded) and the higher up has no consequences. Actually, I've seen that more than once. It's messed up but it's also pretty common, sadly.

Even people who claim to be ethical or consider themselves very moral do stuff like this. Hypocrisy abounds.

Work for MCPS. NOTHING. A person has not been fired at all in my years here. I have known people who are terrible at working but great at smooching you know what, get promoted. I have seen supervisors who are mediocre get promoted. Only one person at the Director level got demoted. Others may be switched to different positions quietly.

What type of bad behavior are we talking about?

Physical violence? Both parties got fired when that happened.

Catty yelling? Everyone on both teams had to complete some online BS training.

Shady business? Nothing.

Lying? Nothing.

Nothing or promotion (district government) .

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Anonymous wrote:They get promoted.

Came here to say this.

Yup.

Nothing. I work at a school.

Anonymous wrote:Underlings get punished.

Higher ups, nothing whatsoever.

I received a PIP out of the blue when my behavior paled in comparison to that of our VP. I fell into the company culture and then was punished for it. Lesson learned.

We had a new hire who was weirdly combative and aggressive. Fired after one month.

Don't know for upper level management but we did get an email about a recent middle management person who was fired and we were all told not to reply or contact him about anything.

Biotech startup.

At my federal agency, it depends. For terrible non-supervisory employees with diligent supervisors, the formal discipline process can progress to the point of removal after about a year. For employees with leadership who aren't that diligent about getting them out, it can take forever.

For people in positions of leadership where the situation becomes intolerable (multiple EEO complaints, investigations, etc), they are usually pushed out into "retirement" or reassigned into a non-supervisory "senior adviser" position where they sit in a corner and do basically nothing. My colleague jokingly called these reassignments "the land of the lost." These upset me because they're still collecting a big paycheck, don't have to supervise people anymore, and have little to no portfolio. Sounds like a good gig for being terrible.

By terrible I mean a variety of behaviors to include harassment, bullying etc.

Does the offender make it rain?

Anonymous wrote:It depends on how connected they are, their rank etc. I’ve seen people disciplined/fired for next to nothing, and I have seen people who’ve committed truly egregious offenses get less than a slap on the wrist.

As we know, life is not fair.

Yep. In law, depends on how valuable you are to the bottom line.

It depends on how connected they are, their rank etc. I’ve seen people disciplined/fired for next to nothing, and I have seen people who’ve committed truly egregious offenses get less than a slap on the wrist.

As we know, life is not fair.

I work at a small, private company with about 40 people and owned by one guy. When he wants you gone, you are gone like yesterday. He doesn't put up with nonsense or toxicity in the office.

Sometimes when people behave terribly, they do implode and life doesn't work out great for them.

Other times, they get promoted.

I have never seen someone fired for bad behavior.

You are not alone. Have you ever microwaved fish at the office is one of the litmus test questions for seeing if you belong in hell or heaven in the show “The Good Place.”