Anonymous
07/10/2023 14:58
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy
This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?
No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.
The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.
3 out of how many that got the drug? You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death? Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.
The question is whether the number of people having suicidal thoughts while on the drug is higher than in a similar population not on the drug. There is a baseline and it isn't zero. But hopefully they do further studies and figure out if there is a higher incidence.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 14:43
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Put your theory on a cheeseburger w fries and shake.
Spouting theories on various topics is my coping mechanism, not overeating.
Sad.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 14:42
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:But once you give a drug to 1 million people, would it be acceptable for 1000 people to have increased risks of suicidal thoughts?
If it decreases suicidal thoughts in 1,001 people, then absolutely. You can't ask meaningful questions about the costs without providing context about the benefits.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 14:40
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
I took phentermine for a month and was absolutely suicidal. I have struggled with mild depression but it was insane on phentermine. I quit and felt much better.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 14:38
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:What about suicidal thoughts for those who are obese and not on these medications?
Oh, that's natural. God's will!
Anonymous
07/10/2023 13:25
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
You missed sarcasm. The theory is neither good nor bad, it just is.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 13:24
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Put your theory on a cheeseburger w fries and shake.
Spouting theories on various topics is my coping mechanism, not overeating.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 13:01
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
Definitely not. I’ll be relatively active today, less than normal, and will still eat a lot. But it won’t be garbage. Maybe you should put the Twinkie down you lie about eating all the time.
DP. Sounds like you are thin and that makes you feel morally superior. You should get to the bottom of why it upsets you that other people may use weight loss drugs. I have no skin in this game because I don't use the drugs myself. I don't think celebrities should be using drugs that are in scarce supply to lose 10 lbs. But for some other people, such drugs are a medically appropriate. Why is that your business?
It is of course not her business, but she is emotionally desperate. That poster is just demonstrating how miserable and angry some women are that these drugs work, because they have very deeply-seeded emotional issues. It’s so sad to watch them. I suspect they have horrific relationships with their spouses and children. They need gentle emotional support, and probably a lot of kindness. They lash out on DCUM because they have no other healthy emotional outlet.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:56
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
Definitely not. I’ll be relatively active today, less than normal, and will still eat a lot. But it won’t be garbage. Maybe you should put the Twinkie down you lie about eating all the time.
Ah, the mask is off.
I am probably in better shape than you. I don’t need to lose weight and I’m very athletic. I engage here because illiterate trolls like you are relentless here, and I’m tired of your idiocy and misinformation.
I mean “put down the Twinkie?” You can’t even craft an insult that is at a higher than third grade literacy level. How embarrassing.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:55
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
Definitely not. I’ll be relatively active today, less than normal, and will still eat a lot. But it won’t be garbage. Maybe you should put the Twinkie down you lie about eating all the time.
DP. Sounds like you are thin and that makes you feel morally superior. You should get to the bottom of why it upsets you that other people may use weight loss drugs. I have no skin in this game because I don't use the drugs myself. I don't think celebrities should be using drugs that are in scarce supply to lose 10 lbs. But for some other people, such drugs are a medically appropriate. Why is that your business?
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:47
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
Definitely not. I’ll be relatively active today, less than normal, and will still eat a lot. But it won’t be garbage. Maybe you should put the Twinkie down you lie about eating all the time.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:43
Subject: Re:Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
OP - Are you raising this because you are eligible to take these drugs yourself and want to understand them better? Or are you someone who has no need to take these drugs and just trying to stir things up?
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:39
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.
It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.
You seem to have profound reading comprehension issues. Caloric deprivation?
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:38
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.
Put your theory on a cheeseburger w fries and shake.
Anonymous
07/10/2023 12:38
Subject: Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs
Anonymous wrote:What about suicidal thoughts for those who are obese and not on these medications?
I suspect that is where this is headed. It’s such a small sample size anyways. The article is just another example of slow news day.