Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 12:17     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They raised sub pay two years ago. It’s something like $19/hour which seems like a lot especially given the flexibility.


My kids (10-13y) make more than that per hour umping little league baseball. ($50 for a 1-2 hour game). Adult/teen umps make more than the kid umps.


Also … WTH is it with parents thinking you should much pay less per hour because of the schedule flexibility? Maybe a little less but saying a retired teacher working as a long term sub over a full time recent grad in the classroom deserves significantly less is BS.

That is always the implication even if not said explicitly on these boards.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 12:13     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:They raised sub pay two years ago. It’s something like $19/hour which seems like a lot especially given the flexibility.


My kids (10-13y) make more than that per hour umping little league baseball. ($50 for a 1-2 hour game). Adult/teen umps make more than the kid umps.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 10:45     Subject: Re:Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.


+1, if it was so great, there would be a surplus.


It's a mindless, no commitment job, with no outside work (emailing parents, meetings, grading, lesson plans, etc).

What other job(s) are mindless, no commitment, and no work-related stuff outside of 8am-3pm?
The $18/hr is fine
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 10:22     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They raised sub pay two years ago. It’s something like $19/hour which seems like a lot especially given the flexibility.


It is kind of insulting next to bus driver pay.

(Not a sub or a bus driver, but see the need for both to be well qualified to do their jobs)


I think the same. I think both subs and bus drivers should be paid at least the bus driver rate (which I think is about $26 an hour). Bus drivers still get benefits since it's a daily commitment, so that's their bonus over the flexibility a sub has.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 10:21     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$19 hour isn't much. You can get paid that much at Starbucks or Target.


Maybe, but are they flexible to where you wouldn’t have to work evenings or weekends? I wonder if it is easy to get time off.


As a sub, just don’t accept jobs when you want to be off. I suspect it is not too hard to get a day of from Target or Starbucks here and there.


I realize that, that's why I asked about the ability to do that at a place like Target or Starbucks. I don't know how easy it is as a new hire to say you only want to work between the hours of 8 a.m and 4 p.m. and no weekends, for example.


That’s why you specify those hours when you apply. Other people may want to work night and weekends. There is a shift for everyone.


Yes, but you have to take that shift consistently. Subbing you can do whenever you want. There aren't many other jobs with that flexibility. I agree though they should pay more, but that's a taxpayer issue too.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 08:35     Subject: Substitute pay
It’s one of the reasons I refuse to sub as a retired teacher - not worth it. I can easily make $50/hr tutoring.
Anonymous
Post 07/10/2023 08:21     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:They raised sub pay two years ago. It’s something like $19/hour which seems like a lot especially given the flexibility.


It is kind of insulting next to bus driver pay.

(Not a sub or a bus driver, but see the need for both to be well qualified to do their jobs)
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:59     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$19 hour isn't much. You can get paid that much at Starbucks or Target.


Maybe, but are they flexible to where you wouldn’t have to work evenings or weekends? I wonder if it is easy to get time off.


As a sub, just don’t accept jobs when you want to be off. I suspect it is not too hard to get a day of from Target or Starbucks here and there.


I realize that, that's why I asked about the ability to do that at a place like Target or Starbucks. I don't know how easy it is as a new hire to say you only want to work between the hours of 8 a.m and 4 p.m. and no weekends, for example.


That’s why you specify those hours when you apply. Other people may want to work night and weekends. There is a shift for everyone.


Thanks. I’m a recently retired teacher and I just completed my online application for subbing. I’ve looked at other part-time job possibilities posted online and noticed most list “weekends” and “evenings”. I’ve wondered how flexible the schedules might be.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:42     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They raised sub pay two years ago. It’s something like $19/hour which seems like a lot especially given the flexibility.


Hahahaha. YOU try being a sub. $19 an hour is terribly LOW when you have to do it and find out how hard it is. Subbing should be paid $30 an hour to start, and licensed teachers should be paid $40. And then incentives should be offered on top of that for hard to staff schools, sped, etc. A school without subs might as well shut down for the day. You cannot operate a school without competent subs.


Schools all over the country operate daily without competent subs. Many subs are incompetent and often they operate without subs at all.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:39     Subject: Re:Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.


+1, if it was so great, there would be a surplus.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:38     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$19 hour isn't much. You can get paid that much at Starbucks or Target.


Maybe, but are they flexible to where you wouldn’t have to work evenings or weekends? I wonder if it is easy to get time off.


As a sub, just don’t accept jobs when you want to be off. I suspect it is not too hard to get a day of from Target or Starbucks here and there.


I realize that, that's why I asked about the ability to do that at a place like Target or Starbucks. I don't know how easy it is as a new hire to say you only want to work between the hours of 8 a.m and 4 p.m. and no weekends, for example.


That’s why you specify those hours when you apply. Other people may want to work night and weekends. There is a shift for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:30     Subject: Re:Substitute pay
The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 22:11     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$19 hour isn't much. You can get paid that much at Starbucks or Target.


Maybe, but are they flexible to where you wouldn’t have to work evenings or weekends? I wonder if it is easy to get time off.


As a sub, just don’t accept jobs when you want to be off. I suspect it is not too hard to get a day of from Target or Starbucks here and there.


I realize that, that's why I asked about the ability to do that at a place like Target or Starbucks. I don't know how easy it is as a new hire to say you only want to work between the hours of 8 a.m and 4 p.m. and no weekends, for example.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 21:37     Subject: Substitute pay
Anonymous wrote:You're pretty much a warm body in the room with a pulse.
No emails, no parents to deal, no meetings, no lesson plans or prep. You walk in and walk out. A
gizzillion holidays in a 9 month span.

Yea, 18 bucks sounds about right.


My brother’s district pays 150 per day for subs without a bachelors and 165 per day for subs with a bachelor’s degree. Fairfax should differentiate pay based on education level and teaching experience.
Anonymous
Post 07/09/2023 21:30     Subject: Substitute pay
You're pretty much a warm body in the room with a pulse.
No emails, no parents to deal, no meetings, no lesson plans or prep. You walk in and walk out. A gizzillion holidays in a 9 month span.

Yea, 18 bucks sounds about right.