Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:47     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:I do not believe this happens. I have a top PVS swimmer who has been going to NVSL all stars every year since they were 7 and we have never been contacted by one of those pools. Those top 3 pools are where they are because of geography combined with large memberships.


Their memberships aren't any larger than other pools in the top 10 divisions and there is nothing in the water that makes their kids faster. Their dominance is long enough standing that anyone who believes they don't recruit or that their waiting lists don't move for fast swimmers probably believes that the WWE is real
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:14     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I do not believe this happens. I have a top PVS swimmer who has been going to NVSL all stars every year since they were 7 and we have never been contacted by one of those pools. Those top 3 pools are where they are because of geography combined with large memberships.


Your club coach a summer coach? We have been at two different PVS clubs and each time their club coach has tried to recruit my kids to their summer team. We already have a summer team and my kids are loyal to it.



Yes. But I guess so is their current summer coach , who happens to coach for the same club but a different age group. Maybe that’s at play. Also the current club coach is at a mid division NVSL pool.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:14     Subject: Re:Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Summer swim is a REC sport. Please for the love of god, lets not ruin rec sports for the kids too. I don't care if you also have a kid who swims Jr olympic level year round, in fact they probably need the rec level fun more than anyone. Just chill.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:08     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.


Ahem. Dowden Terrace.


Ok. So? Dp. I’m with the pp who doesn’t see what the big deal is.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:03     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
To be clear, the NVSL Big 3 (or any of the other teams in D1 or D2 for that matter) aren’t going after the top PVS swimmers or filling slots from the coaches’ winter teams. There may be some “flocking” to particular winter programs because kids make friends on the summer team and want to swim together year-round. But no one is grabbing a ringer from NCAP or Machine in advance of the big Tuckahoe vs Chesterbrook show-down. It’s the same kids swimming who’ve been swimming all season, and who have been for the prior several seasons.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 14:00     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:I do not believe this happens. I have a top PVS swimmer who has been going to NVSL all stars every year since they were 7 and we have never been contacted by one of those pools. Those top 3 pools are where they are because of geography combined with large memberships.


Your club coach a summer coach? We have been at two different PVS clubs and each time their club coach has tried to recruit my kids to their summer team. We already have a summer team and my kids are loyal to it.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 13:57     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.


Ahem. Dowden Terrace.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 13:36     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
I do not believe this happens. I have a top PVS swimmer who has been going to NVSL all stars every year since they were 7 and we have never been contacted by one of those pools. Those top 3 pools are where they are because of geography combined with large memberships.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 10:20     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.


Why is it such a big deal?


Because there is a difference between parents throwing times at a D9 pool to get off of the waitlist and Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook and Overlee grabbing the best PVSL swimmers every year.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 09:57     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.


Why is it such a big deal?
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 09:54     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.


Or the team rep does….very evident at several D1 and D2 teams in the NVSL
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 09:46     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:The kids at my pool seem to care about winning the division and have no inkling about what goes on in other divisions.


Same.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 09:40     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.


Top third is not top. Top one or two divisions is top. There are also pools where the coach brings in their own winter swimmers to fill out a team.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 09:38     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
Anonymous wrote:This sorts itself out over time as top recruiters move to the top divisions and teams that get pummeled move to the lower divisions (higher numbers).


The top 3 in NVLS have been constant for decades, still waiting for them to get pummeled
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2023 08:42     Subject: Pools that recruit should be in their own division
I am a team rep for an upper third pool in NVSL. Our pool does not recruit. We have a waitlist and take from the surrounding neighborhoods.

I was shocked the number of Club parents that reach out directly to join our pool and tell me that I MUST take their swimmer because they are so fast and then they send me times, etc. I explain our waitlist, etc, and they don't seem to get it.

We have also experienced quite good swimmers from upper divisions wanting to "come down" to our pool so their kid can swim A meets and be a star. This confuses me even more, because those upper divisions are not doing a great job with their non- A meet kids.

We have had a few of these types get on our waitlist and make the switch to our team. The swimmers still are not dominating A meets but they get into them more than they would have done at their previous pool.