Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 06:52     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


pretty sure that's already believed by many - and has, in fact, been discussed here before.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 06:51     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:The ideal diet and exercise routine for each person is unique and related to their genetics. Fad diets are the ones that work for more than just a few people. But there’s no silver bullet that will work for everyone so don’t get stuck in a cycle of thinking you’re “doing it wrong” when something you’re trying don’t have the effect you’ve been told it should.


Agree with you completely (even though that’s not the spirit of this post, lol). And I think the conflicting opinions below support this idea.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 06:43     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
That the key to easy weight maintenance is only eating REAL food. No to artificial sweeteners, low fat products made with xanthan gum, etc. But YES to butter, bacon, whole milk alongside vegetables, lean meat, whole grains.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 06:41     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


Agree, metabolism plays a huge role


This is true. But that leads to another unpopular opinion.

Generally, age alone does not "slow down metabolism." Body composition slows it down, as does lack of movement.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 06:30     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


Agree, metabolism plays a huge role
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 05:15     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:They key to losing weight and keeping it off, is regular exercise. No, you can't have a completely trashy diet, but you can have one that isn't restrictive and allows you to eat the things you like.

- lost 60 lbs, maintained it for 10 years


Disagree. My mom lost over 50 pounds when she was in her late 40s through ww, and has kept it off. She's in her 80s now. She has never exercised a day in her life
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 04:49     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:They key to losing weight and keeping it off, is regular exercise. No, you can't have a completely trashy diet, but you can have one that isn't restrictive and allows you to eat the things you like.

- lost 60 lbs, maintained it for 10 years


Agree
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 04:34     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They key to losing weight and keeping it off, is regular exercise. No, you can't have a completely trashy diet, but you can have one that isn't restrictive and allows you to eat the things you like.

- lost 60 lbs, maintained it for 10 years


And I completely disagree with the above. A famous study showed that exercise is nearly worthless for losing weight (though great for health).

When I run 30 miles a week my weight stays where I want it. When I reduce or stop running my weight goes up.

https://today.duke.edu/2019/01/living-caveman-won%E2%80%99t-make-you-thin-it-might-make-you-healthy
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 02:03     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:They key to losing weight and keeping it off, is regular exercise. No, you can't have a completely trashy diet, but you can have one that isn't restrictive and allows you to eat the things you like.

- lost 60 lbs, maintained it for 10 years


And I completely disagree with the above. A famous study showed that exercise is nearly worthless for losing weight (though great for health).

https://today.duke.edu/2019/01/living-caveman-won%E2%80%99t-make-you-thin-it-might-make-you-healthy
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 01:49     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


No it’s just basic physics. A calorie is a unit of energy. If you can’t lose weight with a calorie deficit, it’s because your body is slowing down calorie burn somewhere else — in other words, your math is off and you don’t actually have a deficit.



Physics is the wrong math for cell biology. It’s like trying to solve calculus using case law.


+1
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 01:46     Subject: One thing you believe that nobody else does
They key to losing weight and keeping it off, is regular exercise. No, you can't have a completely trashy diet, but you can have one that isn't restrictive and allows you to eat the things you like.

- lost 60 lbs, maintained it for 10 years
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 01:42     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Permanent weight loss without surgical or medical intervention is mostly a myth.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 01:41     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


No it’s just basic physics. A calorie is a unit of energy. If you can’t lose weight with a calorie deficit, it’s because your body is slowing down calorie burn somewhere else — in other words, your math is off and you don’t actually have a deficit.



Physics is the wrong math for cell biology. It’s like trying to solve calculus using case law.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2023 01:08     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


No it’s just basic physics. A calorie is a unit of energy. If you can’t lose weight with a calorie deficit, it’s because your body is slowing down calorie burn somewhere else — in other words, your math is off and you don’t actually have a deficit.



Unless you're continously measuring your exhaled CO2, you don't know your calories out. Caloric reduction can do weird things to the metabolism, which is why CICO is overly simplistic.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2023 23:28     Subject: Re:One thing you believe that nobody else does
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That research will eventually prove that calories in, calories out is nowhere near the full story.


No it’s just basic physics. A calorie is a unit of energy. If you can’t lose weight with a calorie deficit, it’s because your body is slowing down calorie burn somewhere else — in other words, your math is off and you don’t actually have a deficit.



DP

It’s not that it’s wrong, just that it’s useless, because both halves, but especially Calories Out, are unknowable.