Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 23:52     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will


If giving preference to inner cities or poor areas created a racial correlation, that would ge unconstitutional under this ruling


The previous process gave preference to those who spent big on prep. The current race blind process seems to provide a level playing field.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 23:05     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will [/quote

They have already ruled decades ago that geography cannot be used as a proxy for race.


and that is why the new admissions policy is on shaky ground. All it takes is a couple of graphs showing how geography was used to bring numbers of just one race down significantly.


Why is it TJ admissions officer's fault that Asians choose to concentrate into a few zip codes? That sounds like it's their choice to live there. It makes perfect sense that TJ would deliberately hold spots available so that it can serve the entire, wide geographical community of applicants that it receives. There is absolutely nothing racial about that.


The admissions office(well the school board) put in the geographic criteria after Asians were congregated in a few zip codes(schools). Imagine that blacks had 100% of the seats, and they all went to one school. Then in an effort to reduce the number of blacks, they announced they would put in a per school quota. This would on its face be race-blind admissions, but the intent was to use geography as a proxy for race and engage in racial discrimination.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 21:15     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They should just give a test that has a generous cut off, and then do a lottery for all those who pass the minimum score on the test. They could even provide training on what the test covers (in school or after school) so that everyone has an opportunity to prepare for it if they want to.

Then let the chips fall where they may. Lotteries can't be race-based.


Or you could buy the test.

Oops.


All we ever wanted was a way to buy our way in again.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 21:12     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:So, now that the law of the land has changed and SCOTUS clearly said that ANY system that results in a negative admissions impact to a racial group (even if not explicitly) is unconstitutional, and directly stated admissions is a zero sum game and that by definition increasing URM hurt asian applicants, does this open the door for a new TJ lawsuit? I think probably yes


Yes this race blind process that selects mostly one group should end.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 17:35     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will [/quote

They have already ruled decades ago that geography cannot be used as a proxy for race.


and that is why the new admissions policy is on shaky ground. All it takes is a couple of graphs showing how geography was used to bring numbers of just one race down significantly.


Why is it TJ admissions officer's fault that Asians choose to concentrate into a few zip codes? That sounds like it's their choice to live there. It makes perfect sense that TJ would deliberately hold spots available so that it can serve the entire, wide geographical community of applicants that it receives. There is absolutely nothing racial about that.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:45     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will [/quote

They have already ruled decades ago that geography cannot be used as a proxy for race.


and that is why the new admissions policy is on shaky ground. All it takes is a couple of graphs showing how geography was used to bring numbers of just one race down significantly.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:40     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:They should just give a test that has a generous cut off, and then do a lottery for all those who pass the minimum score on the test. They could even provide training on what the test covers (in school or after school) so that everyone has an opportunity to prepare for it if they want to.

Then let the chips fall where they may. Lotteries can't be race-based.


That's pretty close to what they are doing now.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:40     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will [/quote

They have already ruled decades ago that geography cannot be used as a proxy for race.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:38     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:I thought TJ admissions are now race blind. There’s a cap on the number of students from each feeder school though. That’s why the Asians were up in arms, no?


There is no cap. That was for Loudoun's academy admissions.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:20     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:They should just give a test that has a generous cut off, and then do a lottery for all those who pass the minimum score on the test. They could even provide training on what the test covers (in school or after school) so that everyone has an opportunity to prepare for it if they want to.

Then let the chips fall where they may. Lotteries can't be race-based.


Or you could buy the test.

Oops.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 16:05     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
They should just give a test that has a generous cut off, and then do a lottery for all those who pass the minimum score on the test. They could even provide training on what the test covers (in school or after school) so that everyone has an opportunity to prepare for it if they want to.

Then let the chips fall where they may. Lotteries can't be race-based.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 13:32     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
It’s crazy how many people who didn’t read the opinion are making statements about it.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 13:31     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will


Why? TJ is supposed to be a school for all of innerNOVA, not just the students who attend a couple middle schools. Considering geography helps balance out the class.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 13:28     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:So, now that the law of the land has changed and SCOTUS clearly said that ANY system that results in a negative admissions impact to a racial group (even if not explicitly) is unconstitutional, and directly stated admissions is a zero sum game and that by definition increasing URM hurt asian applicants, does this open the door for a new TJ lawsuit? I think probably yes


That's not what the decision said.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2023 13:13     Subject: TJ lawsuit incoming?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Let me paste the part of the decision that you nincompoops did not read:

"But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissent-
ing opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name""


It would be nice if they struck down geography as a factor, but there is no indication that they will


Why? Because you don't like it? It makes sense for a regional school to have geography as a consideration, rather than concentrating admission in a few small areas.