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Anonymous wrote:Frankly I doubt that if you consort with middle class people, you are familiar with many upper class people. I don’t mean that in a snobby way, it’s just the truth. So I doubt your data pool is significant. Alternatively, if you’re mostly around UC, then I think you can’t really opine on the MC.

Are you serious? If you live and/or work in the DMV it’s mostly populated with UC/UMC and MC people.

Your neighbor in McLean: most likely UC or UMC
The EVP at your work UC or UMC
Your child’s teacher: MC or UMC
Your esthetician: MC or UMC

In what world is an esti UMC?

Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

/s? I sure hope that's the case

Anonymous wrote:Because they are stressed!

Give them a few years, once the midlife existential crisis hits and people start chilling out.

Lol to the idea that UMC people are more stressed at midlife than MC people.

Maybe they are just myopic, and unable to understand that (1) everyone is stressed to some degree, and (2) engaging in a culture of friendliness actually helps to reduce that stress by reminding you what actually matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Frankly I doubt that if you consort with middle class people, you are familiar with many upper class people. I don’t mean that in a snobby way, it’s just the truth. So I doubt your data pool is significant. Alternatively, if you’re mostly around UC, then I think you can’t really opine on the MC.

First, learn to read. OP is talking about UMC, not UC.

UMC and MC people interact all the time, and the line is fuzzy. Especially in a place like DC with very high COL, where many UMC people send their kids to school, live in gentrifying neighborhoods, etc. My neighborhood in DC has plenty of MC families (feds, school teachers, nurses, etc.) who live in houses bought before the neighborhood gentrified, or in condos. But it also has lots of UMC people (lawyers, doctors, consultants, political people, high level feds) who bought more recently.

We interact daily, and OP’s observation holds. The UMC people are more aloof and less friendly. They smile less. They can be friendly towards each other if they have an established relationship, but they are outwardly cold. MC people are friendlier and more open.

I did read it, and OP stated that she felt both UC and MC people are friendly, but I seriously doubt that she has enough information about one group or the other to make an informed statement. If she is hanging around a lot of MC people, she does not have the same relationship with UC people, and vice versa. People generally stick to their social class. So I think her whole premise is flawed, because she is only having superficial interactions with at least one of these groups, and is therefore unqualified to really opine on the subject in an informed way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

LOL. I can't even imagine going through life in such a colorless and shallow way. I pity you.

It just sounds so sad. Like, you think you're so savvy, but you're never making genuine connections. And you think everyone else is using you, too.At least I know my friends like me, not what I can do for them.

They are making genuine connections thought; they are just strategic in who they make them with.

It's not a genuine connection if it wouldn't survive a change in status, though. If you would stop "connecting" with your classmate from your Ivy League college because they chose a more middle class career path or can't keep up with your level of wealth/consumption/careerism, then that was never a genuine friendship. And the PP absolutely would drop such a person because, according to PP, "middle class people are clowns."

Also, the PP describes making choices about how to interact with not only their own children but other people's children based on the class status of their parents. There's nothing "genuine" about that. It's simply using children to forge a professional connection they think they can exploit to make more money and increase status. That's the opposite of genuine. It is in fact sad and shallow.

Because they are stressed!

Give them a few years, once the midlife existential crisis hits and people start chilling out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

LOL. I can't even imagine going through life in such a colorless and shallow way. I pity you.

It just sounds so sad. Like, you think you're so savvy, but you're never making genuine connections. And you think everyone else is using you, too.At least I know my friends like me, not what I can do for them.

They are making genuine connections thought; they are just strategic in who they make them with.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

LOL. I can't even imagine going through life in such a colorless and shallow way. I pity you.

It just sounds so sad. Like, you think you're so savvy, but you're never making genuine connections. And you think everyone else is using you, too.At least I know my friends like me, not what I can do for them.

Anonymous wrote:Frankly I doubt that if you consort with middle class people, you are familiar with many upper class people. I don’t mean that in a snobby way, it’s just the truth. So I doubt your data pool is significant. Alternatively, if you’re mostly around UC, then I think you can’t really opine on the MC.

First, learn to read. OP is talking about UMC, not UC.

UMC and MC people interact all the time, and the line is fuzzy. Especially in a place like DC with very high COL, where many UMC people send their kids to school, live in gentrifying neighborhoods, etc. My neighborhood in DC has plenty of MC families (feds, school teachers, nurses, etc.) who live in houses bought before the neighborhood gentrified, or in condos. But it also has lots of UMC people (lawyers, doctors, consultants, political people, high level feds) who bought more recently.

We interact daily, and OP’s observation holds. The UMC people are more aloof and less friendly. They smile less. They can be friendly towards each other if they have an established relationship, but they are outwardly cold. MC people are friendlier and more open.

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Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

I truly think people like you are destroying society. You are a scourge.

This person has actually lifted the veil on how they think. I’m in a social group of MC and UMC people. The UMC types are extremely self-impressed and actively seek out bougie or prestige-conscious experiences. Befriend people who go to Ivys or work at McKinsey. Live in exclusive zip codes just because they’re exclusive. Stay at certain resorts because they want to show off that they can.

They are selective in who they befriend.

Anonymous wrote:Frankly I doubt that if you consort with middle class people, you are familiar with many upper class people. I don’t mean that in a snobby way, it’s just the truth. So I doubt your data pool is significant. Alternatively, if you’re mostly around UC, then I think you can’t really opine on the MC.

Are you serious? If you live and/or work in the DMV it’s mostly populated with UC/UMC and MC people.

Your neighbor in McLean: most likely UC or UMC
The EVP at your work UC or UMC
Your child’s teacher: MC or UMC
Your esthetician: MC or UMC

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In my experience UMC people focus mostly on status and money so they tend to connect only with people they consider ‘the right crowd’, people with similar status or people that can provide connections in those circles.
MC people are more focused on daily struggles and tend to sympathize more with other people because they know life can be hard and often is enough getting very sick or being layoff to end up in a time of hardship

Yup. It’s pretty clear in my UNW neighborhood that once neighbors know what I do and then guess how much I make and how much power I don’t have they have pretty immediately relegated me to being just the neighbor they say “hi” to when our paths cross. They suck. I’m smarter than most of them.

Why would you being smarter than them mean they should want to be your friend? That's a weird complaint.

Because presumably those who shun lower-paid people are looking for people "on their level" intellectually. They are snubbing people because they don't appear to be smart enough to be a BL partner or start-up CEO.

No? There are two much simpler explanations here.
1) They think you're unpleasant.
2) They're not using "money/power" as a proxy for anything, they're actually just interested in money and power.

Anonymous wrote:First, truly upper class people know that you’re no competition. Their assured success for themselves and their offspring have nothing to do with you. So they can be gracious with you.

Middle-class people are clowns. They are truck drivers and secretaries, or maybe they are Feds destined to max out at GS-12. They think you’re supposed to follow the Golden Rule rather than assessing whether the other person is worthy.

UMCs have attained success but know it’s tenuous. After all, this is America. So yeah, I’ll coach your kid, but mine will pitch and play shortstop. Unless of course your FIL is GC at a corporation that could lock in my partnership if I bring their business. Then my kid will play 3b or 2b, pitch #2, and play short when yours pitches.

I truly think people like you are destroying society. You are a scourge.

Frankly I doubt that if you consort with middle class people, you are familiar with many upper class people. I don’t mean that in a snobby way, it’s just the truth. So I doubt your data pool is significant. Alternatively, if you’re mostly around UC, then I think you can’t really opine on the MC.

Clowns you work for. Like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs.