Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 11:05     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


I’m sure you agree, then, that my evening and weekend hours are mine to spend off-duty.

I’ll trade the 20-25 extra hours I spend at home each week for a duty-free planning period. I’m guessing I get about 20 hours of my own time back in this trade.

Sound good to you, PP? I’ll work every single minute at work, but not a single one once my contract hours are over.

Phew. Great deal for me!


So many teachers seem to expect the autonomy and pay level of professionals, but the limited responsibilities of hourly workers.


Different poster. No, we either expect the autonomy, pay level, and responsibilities of the professionals that we are, or we expect the autonomy, pay level, and responsibilities of an hourly contract. What seems unreasonable is to put together the pay level and responsibilities of a professional, with virtually 0 autonomy.

I once had a principal (left that school quick as I could) who stood at the sign in book and if you had not signed your name by exactly 8:00am (8:01 was too late), then they would highlight your name, and take 10 points off your impact score. Allowed by the system, sure. But I was late one day (got there around 8:03) and had my name highlighted. For the rest of the year, I walked out the door at exactly 3:30. Didn't stop doing work at home because I still wanted to have lessons for my students, but I didn't stay for ANYTHING that wasn't mandated by the contract.


I'm glad you left! He does sound like a terrible manager.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 10:22     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


I’m sure you agree, then, that my evening and weekend hours are mine to spend off-duty.

I’ll trade the 20-25 extra hours I spend at home each week for a duty-free planning period. I’m guessing I get about 20 hours of my own time back in this trade.

Sound good to you, PP? I’ll work every single minute at work, but not a single one once my contract hours are over.

Phew. Great deal for me!


So many teachers seem to expect the autonomy and pay level of professionals, but the limited responsibilities of hourly workers.


You miss the person's point. They are fine with the responsibilities (doing them already), but want the autonomy that should go with it. Without the autonomy, they don't want the responsibilities.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 10:16     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


I’m sure you agree, then, that my evening and weekend hours are mine to spend off-duty.

I’ll trade the 20-25 extra hours I spend at home each week for a duty-free planning period. I’m guessing I get about 20 hours of my own time back in this trade.

Sound good to you, PP? I’ll work every single minute at work, but not a single one once my contract hours are over.

Phew. Great deal for me!


So many teachers seem to expect the autonomy and pay level of professionals, but the limited responsibilities of hourly workers.


Different poster. No, we either expect the autonomy, pay level, and responsibilities of the professionals that we are, or we expect the autonomy, pay level, and responsibilities of an hourly contract. What seems unreasonable is to put together the pay level and responsibilities of a professional, with virtually 0 autonomy.

I once had a principal (left that school quick as I could) who stood at the sign in book and if you had not signed your name by exactly 8:00am (8:01 was too late), then they would highlight your name, and take 10 points off your impact score. Allowed by the system, sure. But I was late one day (got there around 8:03) and had my name highlighted. For the rest of the year, I walked out the door at exactly 3:30. Didn't stop doing work at home because I still wanted to have lessons for my students, but I didn't stay for ANYTHING that wasn't mandated by the contract.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 07:33     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


I’m sure you agree, then, that my evening and weekend hours are mine to spend off-duty.

I’ll trade the 20-25 extra hours I spend at home each week for a duty-free planning period. I’m guessing I get about 20 hours of my own time back in this trade.

Sound good to you, PP? I’ll work every single minute at work, but not a single one once my contract hours are over.

Phew. Great deal for me!


So many teachers seem to expect the autonomy and pay level of professionals, but the limited responsibilities of hourly workers.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 17:51     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


I’m sure you agree, then, that my evening and weekend hours are mine to spend off-duty.

I’ll trade the 20-25 extra hours I spend at home each week for a duty-free planning period. I’m guessing I get about 20 hours of my own time back in this trade.

Sound good to you, PP? I’ll work every single minute at work, but not a single one once my contract hours are over.

Phew. Great deal for me!
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 17:41     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


And out of maybe 130 teachers only 5-10 have it back to back anyways, so 120ish teachers don’t have time to leave during their lunch break.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 15:08     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not really unless they have planning back to back; there’s not time in 40 minutes


I really hope this isn't the answer of an actual teacher. The planning periods are for planning. Not for going home early. Not for running errands. They are for planning lessons.


Nope not how it works. It's our protected time.


So incredibly wrong.

This is from the old contract, but I imagine it is the same for the current contract.

23.6 Planning Periods
23.6.1 Purpose
23.6.1.1 The Parties agree that planning periods shall be used for instructional
purposes: planning lessons, reviewing student work, maintaining
student records, holding conferences, and other similar activities.

If you don't understand why this matters, the planning periods have become a sticking point in school scheduling discussions.


Please that contract, as well as the new one, isn't worth printing out and using as TP in our staff bathroom. Which is a shame, because we are often out.
Anonymous
Post 06/21/2023 15:00     Subject: Can deal teachers leave campus for lunch?
Also relevant to this discussion:

23.4 Leaving the School Building
23.4.1 Teachers shall have the right to leave the School building during their duty-free
lunch period provided they return at the end of the lunch period in time to
perform their scheduled duties and responsibilities.