Anonymous
06/17/2023 20:01
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
The top places to study STEM do not include SLACs
Cal Tech is a SLAC.
You are so funny I could have laughed.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:29
Subject: Re:Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:If you look at the list of closing colleges, over 95% are a) small religious colleges, b)art colleges, c) unusually tiny colleges (e.g. <300 students) or specialized single program colleges.
I agree with everything you stated. I'm certainly not worried about it. These things tend to sort out over time.
I am curious how this plays out for small colleges. I'm certain that no one on DCUMs has ever thought about sending their kids to small schools like those that are in financial trouble or have closed. However, I do worry for the kids that had only these schools as an opportunity for a college degree.
I guess my question is if small colleges will or can adjust to the so called "admission cliff" in the next couple of years. As a PP stated, the biggest decline in HS graduating seniors starts in 2025 and the regions that are seeing the largest declines are the NE, Mid Atlantic and MW. That can't be good news for small colleges up the East Coast.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:15
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
they are weaker in most STEM fields like engineering and CS.
Caltech is not a liberal arts college. It has a graduate program.
https://www.cms.caltech.edu/academics/grad
Engineering, for the most part yes, but exceptions (e.g., Harvey Mudd, Smith, Bucknell). But for CS--if you look at overall ranking of colleges, sure--a small liberal arts college with 100 grads in CS is not going to be highly ranked, but they students--especially if you look at slightly longer time horizons, do very well in their careers and the major has a far higher retention rate (and fewer bars to admission in the major) in SLACs than universities.
sure, but we're talking about colleges that are closing because their colleges are losing people.
I thought you were talking about LACs. Anyway, the colleges that are closing are religious colleges and art schools. So not really any statement on LACs writ large either.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:13
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
they are weaker in most STEM fields like engineering and CS.
Caltech is not a liberal arts college. It has a graduate program.
https://www.cms.caltech.edu/academics/grad
Engineering, for the most part yes, but exceptions (e.g., Harvey Mudd, Smith, Bucknell). But for CS--if you look at overall ranking of colleges, sure--a small liberal arts college with 100 grads in CS is not going to be highly ranked, but they students--especially if you look at slightly longer time horizons, do very well in their careers and the major has a far higher retention rate (and fewer bars to admission in the major) in SLACs than universities.
sure, but we're talking about colleges that are closing because their colleges are losing people.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:10
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
they are weaker in most STEM fields like engineering and CS.
Caltech is not a liberal arts college. It has a graduate program.
https://www.cms.caltech.edu/academics/grad
Engineering, for the most part yes, but exceptions (e.g., Harvey Mudd, Smith, Bucknell). But for CS--if you look at overall ranking of colleges, sure--a small liberal arts college with 100 grads in CS is not going to be highly ranked, but they students--especially if you look at slightly longer time horizons, do very well in their careers and the major has a far higher retention rate (and fewer bars to admission in the major) in SLACs than universities.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:09
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:OP, you posted such a disingenuous title
Sorry. I just posted the title of the article on the CNBC website. I certainly was not trying to be disingenuous.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 18:03
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
they are weaker in most STEM fields like engineering and CS.
Caltech is not a liberal arts college. It has a graduate program.
https://www.cms.caltech.edu/academics/grad
Anonymous
06/17/2023 17:58
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:“We’ll be graduating our lowest high school classes by population in 2025.” Says the article.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m confused. 2006 was a birth boomlet year. Birth rates took a dive in 2008–Great Recession. So how is class of ‘25 (kids born in 2006 and 2007) going to be lowest in years?
Can I draw you a picture of a cliff?
2025 is the top of the cliff, down from there.
NP: I thought the cliff was around class of '27. The recession hit 2008 which would have affected birthrate for 2009. At my kid's school, classes of 25 and 26 are significantly bigger than 24. Anecdotal, but I've heard the same about other schools in the area.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 17:50
Subject: Re:Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
If you look at the list of closing colleges, over 95% are a) small religious colleges, b)art colleges, c) unusually tiny colleges (e.g. <300 students) or specialized single program colleges.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 17:47
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
The top places to study STEM do not include SLACs
DP: SLACs represent a TINY portion of the student body and STEM students do very well from them. But their numbers are far too tiny to ever be listed as a "top" school for STEM. But for the students that go, the have excellent outcomes. There are many, many STEM students at universities who end up dropping out of STEM that would have been more likely to persist at it in a SLAC. With the exception of engineering, SLACs really are a strong, viable option for STEM that too many students overlook. Look at the weed-out rates for STEM degrees in many universities, the difficulty of entering into preferred majors etc. There's little to none of that at SLACs.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 17:45
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
The top places to study STEM do not include SLACs
Cal Tech is a SLAC.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 16:57
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
The top places to study STEM do not include SLACs
That's not true. You don't need a graduate school for undergrads to study STEM and many great LACs have strong STEM studies.
Anonymous
06/17/2023 16:27
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
OP, you posted such a disingenuous title
Anonymous
06/17/2023 15:22
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Supply and demand. More and more will be closing over the next decade as less kids go to college for a variety of reasons. Less students graduating, more people intentionally foregoing college and more kids taking a forced gap year because they can’t believe that applying to 10 or 12 top 25 schools won’t guarantee admission.
Arghhh.. fewer, not less. Did you not pay attention in 6th grade English?
Anonymous
06/17/2023 15:18
Subject: Why more and more colleges are closing down across the U.S.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of them appear to be slacs, and STEM degrees are a lot more popular then ever before.
SLACs also offer STEM degrees.
"Liberal arts education (from Latin liberalis "free" and ars "art or principled practice"), also known as the liberal arts and pure sciences, is the traditional academic course of study in Western higher education." --Wikipedia
The top places to study STEM do not include SLACs
SLACs often have a higher percentage of students majoring in STEM than large public universities.