Anonymous
06/15/2023 09:02
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely it is.
Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.
In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible.
Child support is cheaper than actually raising your kids so if you can get your ex to do it all on the state’s child support calculation you’re winning.
Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.
Well first men should marry before the “empire building” phase of life, but in any case, your divorce statistics don’t take into consideration the fact that risk of divorce is much much lower when both parties are college-educated and married after 25.
I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you.
You’re not talking about rich men here, obviously.
There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50
Divorce rates have gone down. And in the vast majority of cases men don’t have more custody because they either don’t ask for it or don’t take what they’re ordered.
At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.
What about all the men who murder their wives for threatening to divorce them? Happens all the time. Far more often than your anecdote.
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:47
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:This sounds like you are all discussing a business deal and not an actual in-love relationship. If you aren’t deeply in love, don’t get married or have kids.
Love is a fleeting emotion and in reality marriage means nothing. When such a high rate if marriages (almost half) end in divorce and 70-90% are initiated by women it shows love is never enough.
For the most part only one of the two genders is loved unconditionally and not usually expected to suffer for the betterment of the collective. Traditionally it’s men who go to war, pick up the sewage, mine for oil and coal, expected to deal with dangerous criminals, pick up downed power lines, roofing, construction work, ranchers and farming…etc. all of these things are expected of men. When men don’t add value they’re discarded.
The idea of romantic love is purely transactional. Women love men who can provide. Even though they say they’re independent men are still expected to pay for dates and take initiative into asking and planning. Women just need to be available and get asked out and taken care of.
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:43
Subject: Re:Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
If they don't want any kids, absolutely they should stay single.
If they want kids, I think setting kids up for being in and out of your life followed by a team of nannies (and also subjecting them to seeing you with a revolving door of different partners) will be like signing up for a future of headaches...
If they want kids, I think setting kids up for being in and out of your life followed by a team of nannies (and also subjecting them to seeing you with a revolving door of different partners) will be like signing up for a future of headaches...
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:31
Subject: Re:Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
And then they die with no legacy to carry their life foward. It's very sad for all.
We are the richest nation in the world. The idea that people in Iran who have more patriarchy have more than any man here is ridiculous. There is enough money to go around. We just don't prioritize anything other than wealth here.
We are the richest nation in the world. The idea that people in Iran who have more patriarchy have more than any man here is ridiculous. There is enough money to go around. We just don't prioritize anything other than wealth here.
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:09
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Most rich men want a woman who is available for them whenever they (the man) has time. Even if there are no kids on the scene. Someone who can come to his work retreats and evening functions, vacation the same time as them, be free whenever the man is done at work etc. If you expect someone to deprioritize their own career you’re going to have to provide them with financial security
Actually it’s both that are like this.
Regardless society has taught us women are capable and independent. They don’t need no man etc…that is until they need alimony and CS.
It’s jut beneficial for men to marry, and if you’re a wealthy man and look decently attractive you’re in the top 1% and can have any women you pretty much choose. Why settle for one and lose your livelihood?
Most men don’t have that option so they date who they can. The idea of romantic relationships and traditional roles in a relationship are no longer the norm or desire for women. So why should men stick to traditional roles (provider, breadwinner, protector, handyman) whey overall western society has told them they don’t want it?
Studies show by 2030 54% of women over 38 will be single and childless. Thing is…most women want to have kids. But the system is stacked against men in terms of the traditional marriage contract. Guys realize it’s a losing bet for them and opt out. 65% if single men under the age of 35 aren’t even looking for relationships let alone in one. So they’ve decided to just stay home instead of playing a game that intentionally has no path to victory
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:04
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Quality women will demand marriage.
And quality men will say take a hike and Scooby Do wise "rots of ruck".
Anonymous
06/15/2023 08:00
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Absolutely it is.
Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.
In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible. Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.
I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you. There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50
At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.
This is wild. Where do you live that you’ve experienced this?
I live in an UMC community (likely all college educated) and don’t know anyone who fits your description. I have one friend who married after college and divorced for cheating, but that’s it.
Many UMC couples don’t divorce these days because everyone gets 50/50. Most women don’t want to give up custody so they stick with the miserable dude.
Also from what you describe, it’s men who might have the problem. Not marriage! You know the gender responsible for almost all violence on earth.
I’m in VA. Near DC.
And most divorces are because of the following:
DV is such a small percentage overall. And DV is more prominent in lesbian couples than heterosexual couples
Anonymous
06/15/2023 06:37
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Most rich men want a woman who is available for them whenever they (the man) has time. Even if there are no kids on the scene. Someone who can come to his work retreats and evening functions, vacation the same time as them, be free whenever the man is done at work etc. If you expect someone to deprioritize their own career you’re going to have to provide them with financial security
Anonymous
06/15/2023 06:11
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Absolutely it is.
Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.
In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible. Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.
I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you. There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50
At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.
This is wild. Where do you live that you’ve experienced this?
I live in an UMC community (likely all college educated) and don’t know anyone who fits your description. I have one friend who married after college and divorced for cheating, but that’s it.
Many UMC couples don’t divorce these days because everyone gets 50/50. Most women don’t want to give up custody so they stick with the miserable dude.
Also from what you describe, it’s men who might have the problem. Not marriage! You know the gender responsible for almost all violence on earth.
Anonymous
06/15/2023 05:52
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Absolutely it is.
Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.
In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible. Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.
I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you. There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50
At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.
Whenever I hear people lost benefits on why people should get married I point to how they’re outweighed by the HUGE risk of divorce. All of those "benefits" are a moot point as once you're divorced you will end up paying CS and in some cases alimony.
In a lot of cases the government makes money off of your CS so it encourages them to hit you with the highest possible amount as possible. Top that off by the fact 80% of divorces are initiated by women (90% of college educated) there is too much risk. If you're a man who has built his empire and worked hard, it's put at risk as soon as you marry.
I've seen men lose their businesses, livelihoods and in some cases built a house for their wife, (who cheated on him) and he lost it. I have friends that have lived out of a box eating Ramen for years because of being taken to the cleaners. You're 3-4 times more likely to commit suicide as a man, it jumps up to 9 times if you're a divorced man. You lose access to you home, your kids and get your income stolen from you. There is no "traditional" women anymore. At the end of the day the state encourages them to divorce and these women are just using the tools put in front of them to take advantage of it. Only 11 or 12 states have 50/50 by default for custody. It should be 50
At the end of the day - as a man - no one will help you, no one cares about you or will have any empathy for you. You have to look out for yourself and the best way to do that is to take minimal risks that will destroy your livelihood. Society has shown it has utter disdain for men; best thing you can do for yourselves is to not play a game where the odds are not in your favor. Not only are they stacked against you, you have people actively looking to make you lose everything. I've had friends where their ex-wives divorce lawyers put restraining orders and make false claims of abuse to just to ensure they win. And I say had, because at least one of them ended his life based on these allegations and think is ex-wife gives a shit the actions she pulled led to him unaliving himself? Nope, she gets his life insurance and will be banging a new guy in a month.
Anonymous
06/15/2023 02:36
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Bad deal for any man
Anonymous
06/14/2023 23:27
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Marriage is only necessary if you want to have kids. Otherwise, it’s a bad deal for any person.
But especially rich guys. If you are rich and don’t want kids, you’d be a fool to get married. Just enjoy your “companions.”
But especially rich guys. If you are rich and don’t want kids, you’d be a fool to get married. Just enjoy your “companions.”
Anonymous
06/14/2023 23:21
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Some of us got married before we got rich, in which case marriage can be quite nice.
Anonymous
06/14/2023 22:41
Subject: Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
Anonymous wrote:Most rich men want the social standing that a high quality wife brings. This feels like a question only a man from a lower class/lower middle class background would ask.
Most doesn’t equal all.
This feels like a comment only a man who hasn’t fully mastered the English language would make.
Anonymous
06/14/2023 22:35
Subject: Re:Is marriage a bad deal for a rich man?
