Anonymous
06/01/2023 09:05
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Yes, I have this problem. I fantasize about leaving but am kind of stuck.
Not quite sure how to explain it. My boss has hobbies that bleed into work and staff have to sometimes help him with things and I feel guilty by association. So let's say for example, you have a strong Christian, pro life perspective but your boss is supporting NARAL in his free time. But "free time" bleeds into work hours, onto his work computer, his work phone, he's printing out documents, whatever. And the office doesn't care what he does. But YOU have to help him when the printer jams or his conference call with a team of abortionists won't connect or whatever.
That's a hypothetical - it is not this situation - but trying to put the moral conundrum into terms people can relate to.
Not quite sure how to explain it. My boss has hobbies that bleed into work and staff have to sometimes help him with things and I feel guilty by association. So let's say for example, you have a strong Christian, pro life perspective but your boss is supporting NARAL in his free time. But "free time" bleeds into work hours, onto his work computer, his work phone, he's printing out documents, whatever. And the office doesn't care what he does. But YOU have to help him when the printer jams or his conference call with a team of abortionists won't connect or whatever.
That's a hypothetical - it is not this situation - but trying to put the moral conundrum into terms people can relate to.
Anonymous
06/01/2023 09:00
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I've had a few jobs where my personal ethics were at odds with what I was working on. I went in more or less with my eyes open every time.
In some of the cases, it didn't feel like such a big deal (I was a lawyer, one of our clients was a Big Evil - but they were losing all their cases anyway so NBD).
I was much more bothered when working at a nonprofit whose mission I didn't feel totally aligned with - I felt downright bad about some of the work, actually - and my name was on a lot of the public and media facing materials.
I've worked with other orgs that have bad reputations in the public but I liked the work I was doing - I guess in those cases, I felt sort of weird about it, but also didn't let it get to me that much. Was happy to move onto other places where I felt more comfortable overall, though.
In some of the cases, it didn't feel like such a big deal (I was a lawyer, one of our clients was a Big Evil - but they were losing all their cases anyway so NBD).
I was much more bothered when working at a nonprofit whose mission I didn't feel totally aligned with - I felt downright bad about some of the work, actually - and my name was on a lot of the public and media facing materials.
I've worked with other orgs that have bad reputations in the public but I liked the work I was doing - I guess in those cases, I felt sort of weird about it, but also didn't let it get to me that much. Was happy to move onto other places where I felt more comfortable overall, though.
Anonymous
06/01/2023 07:10
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
It depends. My favorite client is one of those companies that fall in most people’s evil list. Ironically, they are lovely to work with and their staff are the nicest.
I had another client with a most noble mission - has a halo effect. They are jerks, they treat their staff like garbage, and I saw questionable activity that may or may not be legal.
I’d rather judge by the inner workings than broad scale perception.
I had another client with a most noble mission - has a halo effect. They are jerks, they treat their staff like garbage, and I saw questionable activity that may or may not be legal.
I’d rather judge by the inner workings than broad scale perception.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 21:58
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I'm a lobbyist and I don't have moral/ethical differences with my workplace. In my company, if its morally or ethically ambiguous we would not advocate for it.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 21:51
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I applied an executive position at Juul and surprising my kids and wife were upset I went on interview. Did not get job
My sister many years ago actually worked for the Wolf of Wall Street cold calling!
Only job I did I had a queasy feeling I killed lab animals and red bagged them at a medical facility. Rabbits, mice, cats. Scary part by 15 minutes in it felt normal
My sister many years ago actually worked for the Wolf of Wall Street cold calling!
Only job I did I had a queasy feeling I killed lab animals and red bagged them at a medical facility. Rabbits, mice, cats. Scary part by 15 minutes in it felt normal
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:38
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I find American healthcare to be innately unethically operated, but that is my industry - what am I to do?
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:35
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:I’m a cog in the wheel of the patriarchy that runs my biglaw firm. Our DEI Director doesn’t appear to have any power or interest in helping anyone but herself. I’m just do my best to pretend that I’ve bought into the b.s. while keeping my stress and work hours to the minimum I can get away with while maxing out my paycheck for as long as possible. Not really concerned with anything else.
Are you a lawyer??
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:34
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I tried following money and I couldn't do it. I need to feel good about the daily work I do. Took a massive pay cut but am so much happier now that I believe in the work I'm doing.
Anonymous
05/31/2023 13:32
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
My biggest ethical work conundrum happened while I was in govt. I moved to the private sector where we care about $$$ but at least were upfront about it and we dont hide behind firewalls and policies.
Anonymous
05/30/2023 21:56
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The ultra woke, DEI worship, speech code liberal orthodoxy at my law firm is morally problematic for me. Like most of the academy and professional world in the US, we’ve allowed a bunch of incompetent children to arrogate to themselves massive amounts of power because doing otherwise (and speaking against it) would render one an untouchable conservative, racist, misogynist fascist, etc etc… yawn.
But, you just deal with it. Pat them on the head and focus on the actual work. I know many others feel the same way, as it’s discussed frequently in private. But these are the times in which we live. I’m no hero and care more about living a comfortable life with my family and friends than I do taking a principled stand at work. So, I and many others just go along quietly, allowing the incompetents to fail upward year on year. Whatever. Once I hit my 30MM I’ll be happily on my way.
First paragraph: I’m sick of people who care about anything other than themselves.
Second paragraph: fortunately, I’m not one of those people.
AKA an honest, coherent, and internally consistent viewpoint? I know that’s rare these days. Potentially triggering.
More seriously, re: first paragraph, if you think the vast, vast majority of the social justice vanguard and grievance industry professionals are in it for anything other than themselves and their own pockets I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
PP. I’m not one of this woke DEI people but I’ve met and worked with plenty of them and find them to be honest and altruistic. Really. It’s sad that you’re so jaded that you can’t see anyone as being motivated differently than you. Internally consistent viewpoint? Sure. Just lacking in perspective. Your viewpoint doesn’t tell me anything about the world, just about your perception of it.
Anonymous
05/30/2023 21:07
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. The ultra woke, DEI worship, speech code liberal orthodoxy at my law firm is morally problematic for me. Like most of the academy and professional world in the US, we’ve allowed a bunch of incompetent children to arrogate to themselves massive amounts of power because doing otherwise (and speaking against it) would render one an untouchable conservative, racist, misogynist fascist, etc etc… yawn.
But, you just deal with it. Pat them on the head and focus on the actual work. I know many others feel the same way, as it’s discussed frequently in private. But these are the times in which we live. I’m no hero and care more about living a comfortable life with my family and friends than I do taking a principled stand at work. So, I and many others just go along quietly, allowing the incompetents to fail upward year on year. Whatever. Once I hit my 30MM I’ll be happily on my way.
First paragraph: I’m sick of people who care about anything other than themselves.
Second paragraph: fortunately, I’m not one of those people.
AKA an honest, coherent, and internally consistent viewpoint? I know that’s rare these days. Potentially triggering.
More seriously, re: first paragraph, if you think the vast, vast majority of the social justice vanguard and grievance industry professionals are in it for anything other than themselves and their own pockets I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Anonymous
05/30/2023 20:50
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:Yes. The ultra woke, DEI worship, speech code liberal orthodoxy at my law firm is morally problematic for me. Like most of the academy and professional world in the US, we’ve allowed a bunch of incompetent children to arrogate to themselves massive amounts of power because doing otherwise (and speaking against it) would render one an untouchable conservative, racist, misogynist fascist, etc etc… yawn.
But, you just deal with it. Pat them on the head and focus on the actual work. I know many others feel the same way, as it’s discussed frequently in private. But these are the times in which we live. I’m no hero and care more about living a comfortable life with my family and friends than I do taking a principled stand at work. So, I and many others just go along quietly, allowing the incompetents to fail upward year on year. Whatever. Once I hit my 30MM I’ll be happily on my way.
First paragraph: I’m sick of people who care about anything other than themselves.
Second paragraph: fortunately, I’m not one of those people.
Anonymous
05/30/2023 20:38
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:Yes. The ultra woke, DEI worship, speech code liberal orthodoxy at my law firm is morally problematic for me. Like most of the academy and professional world in the US, we’ve allowed a bunch of incompetent children to arrogate to themselves massive amounts of power because doing otherwise (and speaking against it) would render one an untouchable conservative, racist, misogynist fascist, etc etc… yawn.
But, you just deal with it. Pat them on the head and focus on the actual work. I know many others feel the same way, as it’s discussed frequently in private. But these are the times in which we live. I’m no hero and care more about living a comfortable life with my family and friends than I do taking a principled stand at work. So, I and many others just go along quietly, allowing the incompetents to fail upward year on year. Whatever. Once I hit my 30MM I’ll be happily on my way.
You would have been a Good German, PP
Anonymous
05/30/2023 20:38
Subject: Moral / ethical differences with your work
I’m a cog in the wheel of the patriarchy that runs my biglaw firm. Our DEI Director doesn’t appear to have any power or interest in helping anyone but herself. I’m just do my best to pretend that I’ve bought into the b.s. while keeping my stress and work hours to the minimum I can get away with while maxing out my paycheck for as long as possible. Not really concerned with anything else.
Anonymous
05/30/2023 20:35
Subject: Re:Moral / ethical differences with your work
Anonymous wrote:It matters a lot to me. When I worked at a company that sometimes presented a values conflict, it gnawed at me. My current job is not like that, which is a relief. Money isn't everything to me.
This. I hated sales when I didn't believe in the product. Had to quit that job