Anonymous wrote:Some of us just have gravelly voices and get tagged with vocal fry. 😡

Doesn’t post nasal drip or acids reflux also cause vocal fry in the throat and vocal cords?

Plus nerves can sometimes. Get some air and take deep breathes before and while speaking.

If all the time, go to the doctor.

Anonymous wrote:No Vocal fry
No Speaking loudly
Being assertive is too aggressive
No Saying “like” and “um”
Don’t be too pretty or not pretty enough
Never talk about your children
Never apologize
Don’t say “yes”
Don’t say “no” but also remember don’t say “yes”
Don’t say “just”
Be confident but don’t because “assertive is aggressive “
Don’t drink but also try to get invited to events for face time and drink with the team but also don’t drink.
Find a mentor but also never be alone with your male boss.
Don’t yell but also get use to being yelled at.

What else I’m losing track

You forgot never start a sentence with “so”!

I see this post really touched the nerve with a lot of you. Also, while it's true that it's mostly women that utilize vocal fry, there are plenty of men speaking that way too.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.

NO! Omg, seriously?! Not an educated woman!!!! There's nothing worse!!!!

Educated doesn’t mean smart or even competent

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Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.

NO! Omg, seriously?! Not an educated woman!!!! There's nothing worse!!!!

I dictated doesn’t mean smart or even competent

Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.

NO! Omg, seriously?! Not an educated woman!!!! There's nothing worse!!!!

Anonymous wrote:We have two women with extremely pronounced vocal fry addictions. I have to skip my meetings with them. The other thing I do is say "what? I didn't understand what you said - it wasn't clear"
Over and over.

What a menopausal maniac. Don't worry, they f_ucking hate you right back and probably send each other slack messages about how old and annoying you are.

Actually, studies have shown that men and women use the same amount of “filler words” like “uh” and “um” when they speak. Ask yourself why you are choosing to notice and judge women more than men. Ask yourself why younger women bother you. Ask yourself why you are worried about anyone else’s “gravitas” but your own.

No Vocal fry
No Speaking loudly
Being assertive is too aggressive
No Saying “like” and “um”
Don’t be too pretty or not pretty enough
Never talk about your children
Never apologize
Don’t say “yes”
Don’t say “no” but also remember don’t say “yes”
Don’t say “just”
Be confident but don’t because “assertive is aggressive “
Don’t drink but also try to get invited to events for face time and drink with the team but also don’t drink.
Find a mentor but also never be alone with your male boss.
Don’t yell but also get use to being yelled at.

What else I’m losing track

Anonymous wrote:There’s also the (maybe compensatory) overly precise sound recently heard in young, educated women:
S’s that pierce the ears, as a steam leak
Overly percussive T’s that sound like a small, sharp nails being hammered into hard wood.

No idea what you’re referring to.

Anonymous wrote:Ira Glass has vocal fry and nobody cares.

I am to distracted by his glottal stop and swallowed consonants to notice the fry.

But if Diane Rheim could be on the radio anyone can.

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Anonymous wrote:We have two women with extremely pronounced vocal fry addictions. I have to skip my meetings with them. The other thing I do is say "what? I didn't understand what you said - it wasn't clear"
Over and over.

Can you really, truly not understand them? Because if you can, and you just don't like the way they talk, you're a jerk.

Vocal fry is a documented speech disorder.

In the business world, it's worse than upspeak.

No it's not.

https://laryngopedia.com/vocal-fry-dysphonia/

Ha wanna have a link war?

https://www.science.org/content/article/vocal-fry-creeping-us-speech#:~:text=Historically%2C%20continual%20use%20of%20vocal,speakers%20with%20normal%20voice%20quality.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/is-vocal-fry-ruining-my-voice

Vocal fry can be a symptom of a problem, but isn't a problem in and of itself. Many people with normal speech have some vocal fry in their speech.

Also isn't it weird to say that a speech *disorder* is a professional problem? If it's really a disorder isn't bad to be discriminatory against it? But it's not a disorder, people just have a bias against it the same way they have a bias against southern accents and glottal stops followed by an aspiration. So yes if somebody wants to get ahead in the workplace they might want to change their voice but not because it's a disorder.

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of people policing how millennial women speak. You can understand them perfectly. They don't say "like" every other word and you know perfectly well what they mean when they use "literally" well, not literally. Vocal fry is some dumb thing invented by old American studies intellectuals who just want something to b itch about.

Uhm no. Speak properly and no one will care. When you adopt annoying habits such as vocal fry (endemic with millennial women) people are going to notice and say something. In short, stop being annoying and no one will be annoyed.

I am so sick of people policing how millennial women speak. You can understand them perfectly. They don't say "like" every other word and you know perfectly well what they mean when they use "literally" well, not literally. Vocal fry is some dumb thing invented by old American studies intellectuals who just want something to b itch about.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have two women with extremely pronounced vocal fry addictions. I have to skip my meetings with them. The other thing I do is say "what? I didn't understand what you said - it wasn't clear"
Over and over.

Can you really, truly not understand them? Because if you can, and you just don't like the way they talk, you're a jerk.

Vocal fry is a documented speech disorder.

In the business world, it's worse than upspeak.

No it's not.

https://laryngopedia.com/vocal-fry-dysphonia/