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OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG is it the same poster constantly? Do we really need another thread on this? There have been hundreds.

op - never posted this before. but seeing all these insane anti wfh arguments i'm just like - wtf

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Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.

It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.

Plus, it's focusing on the wrong thing. How are productivity levels? Are they the same (or better) for WFH than in-office? That should be easily measured.

Unless what you actually care about is whether people are clocking minutes as opposed to actually doing their jobs.

NP and my takeaway from all of this is that a lot companies seem to not have good procedures in place to measure productivity or maybe the managers are just lazy and don't want to spend the time to figure out who is actually doing work.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

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Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.

It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.

Plus, it's focusing on the wrong thing. How are productivity levels? Are they the same (or better) for WFH than in-office? That should be easily measured.

Unless what you actually care about is whether people are clocking minutes as opposed to actually doing their jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

Maybe, just maybe, PP prefers that way. Why does it have to fit your preference? You do you.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.

It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

Anonymous wrote:OMG is it the same poster constantly? Do we really need another thread on this? There have been hundreds.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.