Anonymous
Post 05/22/2023 08:43     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:Bigot - a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

Anti-Golf bigot - someone who is against supporting the sport of kings.


Anti-golf bigots hate bowling?
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2023 12:28     Subject: Hains Point
Bigot - a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"

Anti-Golf bigot - someone who is against supporting the sport of kings.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2023 09:53     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just wish that so much of East Potomac Park wasn't given over to golf. 36 holes in such a prime location is ridiculous, especially when there are two other full courses inside the city. It means that only a tiny fraction of residents get anything out of the park other than picnicing at the point.

What if we took back 18 holes and converted it into something like an outdoor concert venue? Could also be used for an improved DC State Fair, night markets, and other events that need open space but aren't well suited for the Mall. The park would have many more users than it does now, and it would also mean more tax revenue for the city. Plus, with more and better funded partner organizations, they'd be more likely to find money to fix up the seawall issues.


Anti-golf bigot. Instead of getting rid of 18 holes all 36 should be refurbished. Much better use of funds than spending them to support being a sanctuary city.


People who think there's a better use of a space than golf are bigots now? I'd love to hear that logic, lol.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2023 09:29     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:I just wish that so much of East Potomac Park wasn't given over to golf. 36 holes in such a prime location is ridiculous, especially when there are two other full courses inside the city. It means that only a tiny fraction of residents get anything out of the park other than picnicing at the point.

What if we took back 18 holes and converted it into something like an outdoor concert venue? Could also be used for an improved DC State Fair, night markets, and other events that need open space but aren't well suited for the Mall. The park would have many more users than it does now, and it would also mean more tax revenue for the city. Plus, with more and better funded partner organizations, they'd be more likely to find money to fix up the seawall issues.


Anti-golf bigot. Instead of getting rid of 18 holes all 36 should be refurbished. Much better use of funds than spending them to support being a sanctuary city.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2023 16:52     Subject: Hains Point
The entire tidal basin needs major engineering maintenance and repairs. That's what's causing every one of the problems. It would be a collosal waste of money to update or upgrade anything before that is done.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 23:23     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:As a federal facility East Potomac (like the mall) does not allow corporate sponsorship/signage etc.. The events you mention are driven by the kind of sponsorship support that is forbidden on the mall and in the parks. That's the very reason they shut down PA Avenue for events, because that space is owned by the city and you only hav etc deal with DC fire and police, instead of wholly separate police forces that get paid for events. Eleanor Holmes Norton has tried for years to get both Langston and East Potomac to be turned over to the city for renovation and upgrading, though her plan was to turn both courses into world class (ie expensive) golf designed to attract visitors.


I think the expensive golf course would be a great idea, especially if local residents could get discounts (or have some free/almost free options to introduce low-income residents to golf). East Potomac is a mess for golf and NLT seems to be all talk, no action.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 17:41     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As a federal facility East Potomac (like the mall) does not allow corporate sponsorship/signage etc.. The events you mention are driven by the kind of sponsorship support that is forbidden on the mall and in the parks. That's the very reason they shut down PA Avenue for events, because that space is owned by the city and you only hav etc deal with DC fire and police, instead of wholly separate police forces that get paid for events. Eleanor Holmes Norton has tried for years to get both Langston and East Potomac to be turned over to the city for renovation and upgrading, though her plan was to turn both courses into world class (ie expensive) golf designed to attract visitors.


This is helpful info. I'm fine with Langston being renovated as a fancy golf course given its history and its more out of the way location. NPS is really mismanaging East Potomac Park though. The city could do so much more with this space, and the restrictions on commerical activity in NPS spaces are really overly burdensome for places outside of the Mall and Rock Creek Park. I'm involved with a group that would like to host outdoor events in DC parks, and even working with NPS to do free outdoor events is a massive hassle if you're not a regular partner organization.


The NPS is not mismanaging anything. They balance the competing demands placed on the area with limited funding and the over mission of the NPS. The problem is republicans in congress have for years and years underfunded the NPS.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 16:46     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:East Potomac Park is made from mud dredged from the Potomac so it is always sinking. The sidewalks have been unusable for decades even when not literally underwater. So people walk in the road. Now they will follow the peoples lead and restripe part of the road into a shared walk and bike path.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/bicycle-lane-redesign-around-hains-point-to-come-sometime-this-summer/ar-AA1a8LaP



Haines Point IS NOT sinking. Local sea level on the Potomac river is rising because of climate change.


Two things can be true at the same time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/12/study-finds-the-east-coast-of-america-is-sinking-into-the-atlantic-ocean/?sh=5ff7c7ad33fb


Except only one of these is true. The other is a lie.

Sea level in Washington DC is rising faster than sea level in other places.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:55     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just wish that so much of East Potomac Park wasn't given over to golf. 36 holes in such a prime location is ridiculous, especially when there are two other full courses inside the city. It means that only a tiny fraction of residents get anything out of the park other than picnicing at the point.

What if we took back 18 holes and converted it into something like an outdoor concert venue? Could also be used for an improved DC State Fair, night markets, and other events that need open space but aren't well suited for the Mall. The park would have many more users than it does now, and it would also mean more tax revenue for the city. Plus, with more and better funded partner organizations, they'd be more likely to find money to fix up the seawall issues.


Completely agree. The golf course is a huge waste of money and land that could be put to much better use.

Thing I hate most about East Potomac Park is how car-dependent it is. Rewards the worst of the region's residents.


It's not a waste of money. It's a place where regular people can play and take golf lessons. I love it! My family spends a ton of time at Hains Point.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 19:26     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:East Potomac Park is made from mud dredged from the Potomac so it is always sinking. The sidewalks have been unusable for decades even when not literally underwater. So people walk in the road. Now they will follow the peoples lead and restripe part of the road into a shared walk and bike path.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/bicycle-lane-redesign-around-hains-point-to-come-sometime-this-summer/ar-AA1a8LaP



Haines Point IS NOT sinking. Local sea level on the Potomac river is rising because of climate change.


Two things can be true at the same time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/09/12/study-finds-the-east-coast-of-america-is-sinking-into-the-atlantic-ocean/?sh=5ff7c7ad33fb
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 19:12     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:This is helpful info. I'm fine with Langston being renovated as a fancy golf course given its history and its more out of the way location. NPS is really mismanaging East Potomac Park though. The city could do so much more with this space, and the restrictions on commerical activity in NPS spaces are really overly burdensome for places outside of the Mall and Rock Creek Park. I'm involved with a group that would like to host outdoor events in DC parks, and even working with NPS to do free outdoor events is a massive hassle if you're not a regular partner organization.


Great to hear of your effort. I remember that DC had this rock festival in West Potomac Park in 2015 (I believe). The Strokes headlined. It was incredible.

Unfortunately, I didn't attend, and the festival never returned because...politics. "How dare some special interest make a dollar at a federal park if my jerkoff event can't play in the same park!" Or something like that.

Such a shame.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 19:10     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:I just wish that so much of East Potomac Park wasn't given over to golf. 36 holes in such a prime location is ridiculous, especially when there are two other full courses inside the city. It means that only a tiny fraction of residents get anything out of the park other than picnicing at the point.

What if we took back 18 holes and converted it into something like an outdoor concert venue? Could also be used for an improved DC State Fair, night markets, and other events that need open space but aren't well suited for the Mall. The park would have many more users than it does now, and it would also mean more tax revenue for the city. Plus, with more and better funded partner organizations, they'd be more likely to find money to fix up the seawall issues.


Completely agree. The golf course is a huge waste of money and land that could be put to much better use.

Thing I hate most about East Potomac Park is how car-dependent it is. Rewards the worst of the region's residents.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 19:09     Subject: Re:Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:Hains Point is a DC treasure and should be cleaned up, repaired, and upgraded in multiple ways. Perhaps, DC Govt should offer some financial support as the main users of Hains Point are DC residents.


DC better not give a red cent to the feds to maintain East Potomac Park. The feds shlt on us all the time already (National Park Service, for instance), it's the feds that owe us money.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 15:56     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:East Potomac Park is made from mud dredged from the Potomac so it is always sinking. The sidewalks have been unusable for decades even when not literally underwater. So people walk in the road. Now they will follow the peoples lead and restripe part of the road into a shared walk and bike path.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/bicycle-lane-redesign-around-hains-point-to-come-sometime-this-summer/ar-AA1a8LaP



Haines Point IS NOT sinking. Local sea level on the Potomac river is rising because of climate change.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2023 15:53     Subject: Hains Point
Anonymous wrote:As a federal facility East Potomac (like the mall) does not allow corporate sponsorship/signage etc.. The events you mention are driven by the kind of sponsorship support that is forbidden on the mall and in the parks. That's the very reason they shut down PA Avenue for events, because that space is owned by the city and you only hav etc deal with DC fire and police, instead of wholly separate police forces that get paid for events. Eleanor Holmes Norton has tried for years to get both Langston and East Potomac to be turned over to the city for renovation and upgrading, though her plan was to turn both courses into world class (ie expensive) golf designed to attract visitors.


This is helpful info. I'm fine with Langston being renovated as a fancy golf course given its history and its more out of the way location. NPS is really mismanaging East Potomac Park though. The city could do so much more with this space, and the restrictions on commerical activity in NPS spaces are really overly burdensome for places outside of the Mall and Rock Creek Park. I'm involved with a group that would like to host outdoor events in DC parks, and even working with NPS to do free outdoor events is a massive hassle if you're not a regular partner organization.