Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:21     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Hate speech is protected speech under the first amendment. Get bent
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:20     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What do they define as hate speech? It’s very vague, like everything else in MCPS

I had a kid yell “shut up” to another kid because he was actually standing and texting the Pledge of Allegiance unlike the rest of his peers.


I heard a kid yell "Chicken butt!"
Is that hate speech?


That's just the proper reply to "What's up?"


No, it's the proper reply to "Guess what?"
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:18     Subject: Re:Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
My kid gets made fun of for being white and kids will say things like, "I hate white people" around her. Is that a hate act?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:06     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I didn't know about these events at all, but then I receive so many MCPS communications (maybe it's because I have kids in two different clusters), that I end up not reading them all.

I really doubt that legally MCPS can append a "hate speech" label to disciplinary actions on a high school transcript that is sent to colleges.





'Permanent record' isn't the transcript. It's an internal record so that counselors/vice principals can identify a pattern of behavior. If the same issue arises in different settings/different years, they'll be better able to spot it this way.


In other words, a Scarlet Letter? An interesting exercise of power coming from the local school system.


Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:02     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I didn't know about these events at all, but then I receive so many MCPS communications (maybe it's because I have kids in two different clusters), that I end up not reading them all.

I really doubt that legally MCPS can append a "hate speech" label to disciplinary actions on a high school transcript that is sent to colleges.





'Permanent record' isn't the transcript. It's an internal record so that counselors/vice principals can identify a pattern of behavior. If the same issue arises in different settings/different years, they'll be better able to spot it this way.


In other words, a Scarlet Letter? An interesting exercise of power coming from the local school system.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 20:00     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I guess a lot more people are going to be taking these all the way through the appeals process to avoid that. Parents are willing to accept Timmy has detention for doing "x" but when the record is permanent, they may appeal and make a school prove "x" happened, and good luck with that


I'm curious. Does anyone know how Permanent Records work? Or whether there is a policy about hate/bias to record acts on a kid's permanent record?

Is this real? I can't believe this is legal. If someone is disparaging a minor for life without a prior conviction in a court of law, I don't see how it will stick?


Did you know that your student's transcript is also maintained on file for many years, without prior conviction in a court of law?


Does a student's transcript contain derogatory information?

No, it doesn't. MCPS is way overbounds on this one.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 17:40     Subject: Re:Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
I know that we had an opportunity and so did students to fill out a survey for the anti racist work. Will thhe Public have access to school specific results of that survey?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 16:58     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:Much of what is called hate speech is actually constitutionally protected. Of course it doesn’t belong in schools. but these days anyone who disagrees or feels hurt by anything is quick to label the offending comment “hate speech” or “bigotry”. Have there been many incidents of hate speech in MCPS recently?


Oh my gosh, yes! We've received several letters home this year about egregious instances of graffiti, oral tirades, and other issues targeting black and jewish students.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 14:07     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What do they define as hate speech? It’s very vague, like everything else in MCPS

I had a kid yell “shut up” to another kid because he was actually standing and texting the Pledge of Allegiance unlike the rest of his peers.


I heard a kid yell "Chicken butt!"
Is that hate speech?


That's just the proper reply to "What's up?"
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 13:39     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Much of what is called hate speech is actually constitutionally protected. Of course it doesn’t belong in schools. but these days anyone who disagrees or feels hurt by anything is quick to label the offending comment “hate speech” or “bigotry”. Have there been many incidents of hate speech in MCPS recently?


December 2022, "Jews not welcome" was written on the Whitman sign. Whether there have been "many" is a point of contention -- MCPS has likely had less than Nowhereville, East Missouri, but that high-profile incident was likely a big motivator.


MCPS does not care about hate toward Jews or Asians.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 13:36     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:Much of what is called hate speech is actually constitutionally protected. Of course it doesn’t belong in schools. but these days anyone who disagrees or feels hurt by anything is quick to label the offending comment “hate speech” or “bigotry”. Have there been many incidents of hate speech in MCPS recently?


December 2022, "Jews not welcome" was written on the Whitman sign. Whether there have been "many" is a point of contention -- MCPS has likely had less than Nowhereville, East Missouri, but that high-profile incident was likely a big motivator.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 13:01     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Much of what is called hate speech is actually constitutionally protected. Of course it doesn’t belong in schools. but these days anyone who disagrees or feels hurt by anything is quick to label the offending comment “hate speech” or “bigotry”. Have there been many incidents of hate speech in MCPS recently?
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 12:11     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
Anonymous wrote:
I didn't know about these events at all, but then I receive so many MCPS communications (maybe it's because I have kids in two different clusters), that I end up not reading them all.

I really doubt that legally MCPS can append a "hate speech" label to disciplinary actions on a high school transcript that is sent to colleges.





'Permanent record' isn't the transcript. It's an internal record so that counselors/vice principals can identify a pattern of behavior. If the same issue arises in different settings/different years, they'll be better able to spot it this way.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 12:04     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,

I didn't know about these events at all, but then I receive so many MCPS communications (maybe it's because I have kids in two different clusters), that I end up not reading them all.

I really doubt that legally MCPS can append a "hate speech" label to disciplinary actions on a high school transcript that is sent to colleges.



Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 12:03     Subject: Hate/bias acts on kids’ permanent records,
I don’t see why this is a big deal.