Anonymous
05/14/2023 13:12
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's bigoted when your opposition to immigration is based on race. And it doesn't stop being bigotry when you claim that you're not opposed to "legal" immigration if you oppose modifying the law because you don't want more brown people in the country.
Please - cite a post, a statement, or ANYTHING that says or even implies that someone doesn't want more "brown" people in this country.
Same with opposition to immigration based on race.
You are just making $hit up.
People worried about “the fundamental transformation of the country,” “the fall of western civilization,” “but the birthrate,” and “demographic suicide.”
Not to mention all the Trump supporters with their "14 words": "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."
Anonymous
05/14/2023 12:52
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's bigoted when your opposition to immigration is based on race. And it doesn't stop being bigotry when you claim that you're not opposed to "legal" immigration if you oppose modifying the law because you don't want more brown people in the country.
Please - cite a post, a statement, or ANYTHING that says or even implies that someone doesn't want more "brown" people in this country.
Same with opposition to immigration based on race.
You are just making $hit up.
People worried about “the fundamental transformation of the country,” “the fall of western civilization,” “but the birthrate,” and “demographic suicide.”
Anonymous
05/14/2023 11:56
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:It's bigoted when your opposition to immigration is based on race. And it doesn't stop being bigotry when you claim that you're not opposed to "legal" immigration if you oppose modifying the law because you don't want more brown people in the country.
Please - cite a post, a statement, or ANYTHING that says or even implies that someone doesn't want more "brown" people in this country.
Same with opposition to immigration based on race.
You are just making $hit up.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 09:30
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
It's bigoted when your opposition to immigration is based on race. And it doesn't stop being bigotry when you claim that you're not opposed to "legal" immigration if you oppose modifying the law because you don't want more brown people in the country.
Anonymous
05/14/2023 00:12
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
I guess... what counts as bigoted? If you believe the US should have immigration control (eg, should require that immigrants follow a legal process to obtain permission to live in the US), is that bigoted?
In general, I don't think that having religious views requires you to believe in a completely open border.
In general, I don't think that having religious views requires you to believe in a completely open border.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 23:29
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:I’m agnostic. Build the wall.
+1
WhoTF posts such long drivel. Was this a chatGPT thing Op whipped up?
Anonymous
05/13/2023 19:13
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Bill Clinton 1995 SOTU speech on immigration....
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”
I guess we need to call a bigot.
I think Biden has given similar speeches in the past. Too bad that is not the Biden we have as president.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 18:32
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Bill Clinton 1995 SOTU speech on immigration....
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”
All Americans, not only in the states most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That’s why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.”
Anonymous
05/13/2023 16:07
Subject: Re:How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a conservative and a staunch atheist. You and your bible can go pound sand.
The US is not a theocracy and we have secular laws. Demanding that these laws get enforced is not bigotry.
I will pray for you, brother. Since your attachment is to the laws and not to the bigotry reflected in those laws, you would join me in supporting that they be changed to let in more people? Perhaps a program that liberalizes work visas to give people time to demonstrate motivation and a work ethic so that we know they will add to our resources rather than drain them? If the person demonstrates a pattern of hard work and no crime for a period of years, they should be made citizens.
So many people I encounter hide behind the law when, in reality, they embrace the bigotry the law allows. They would oppose a change in that law because they don't like people with darker skin or different cultures. Even if those people hard workers with good hearts who love their families and would be positive additions to our communities.
I am a woman, the real kind BTW.
And until we get full control of the border, the answer is no, I do not support change to let more people in. What you are coyly saying is that you want amnesty for everyone already here illegally. Absolutely not.
And this pattern of no crime for periods of years is in direct conflict with the laws that were broken by entering illegally and most likely working here illegally.
There you go - her concern is not some kind of abstract and agnostic commitment to "the law." She likes the bigotry and is just hiding behind the law as a pretext.
I believe in laws and science. Sorry not sorry.
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 15:12
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
It's truly bizarre that some of the most bigoted people in America are Christian conservatives. Their bigotry goes against everything that Christ taught, it goes against everything that the Bible taught. One wonders if their religion has been hijacked by charlatans.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:31
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there also verses one could point to about obeying the laws of the land?
most people generally support legal immigration and oppose illegal immigration.
That’s obviously not true because the second I suggest that we legalize more immigrants you guys just make excuses as to why that’s not a valid solution.
Why don't you go tell NYC, Chicago, Denver and several other democratic places that. I haven't seen anyone stand up and say something to them. I mean headlines like below tell the truth, too bad you are just a hypocrite and only want to see areas you don't like affected:
"New York City Is Complaining About Too Many Immigrants Arriving From the Southern Border"
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:31
Subject: How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there also verses one could point to about obeying the laws of the land?
most people generally support legal immigration and oppose illegal immigration.
What defines “illegal immigration”? Did your white ancestors who immigrated here and occupied land stolen from native Americans come here “legally”? I think not.
Translation: 'The US does not have a right to being an autonomous country, because land was stolen from Indians hundreds of years ago!'
What a fantastic starting point for debate. Why should any country exist with this logic? People get conquered and lose lands throughout history. I guess Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and a slew of other countries shouldn't exist either. Maybe all those North African countries can give land back to Italy because it was taken from the Romans.
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:21
Subject: Re:How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
This is like asking a Democrat or liberal to justify why Dems do what they do wrt immigration and the border when they used to say things like this:
Lol @ when Obama was bragging about building a wall, and suggesting we need to have a moat filled with alligators. I mean can you imagine how much Dems would lose their minds if Trump said the same exact things Obama said?
Lol @ when Obama was bragging about building a wall, and suggesting we need to have a moat filled with alligators. I mean can you imagine how much Dems would lose their minds if Trump said the same exact things Obama said?
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:17
Subject: Re:How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a conservative and a staunch atheist. You and your bible can go pound sand.
The US is not a theocracy and we have secular laws. Demanding that these laws get enforced is not bigotry.
I will pray for you, brother. Since your attachment is to the laws and not to the bigotry reflected in those laws, you would join me in supporting that they be changed to let in more people? Perhaps a program that liberalizes work visas to give people time to demonstrate motivation and a work ethic so that we know they will add to our resources rather than drain them? If the person demonstrates a pattern of hard work and no crime for a period of years, they should be made citizens.
So many people I encounter hide behind the law when, in reality, they embrace the bigotry the law allows. They would oppose a change in that law because they don't like people with darker skin or different cultures. Even if those people hard workers with good hearts who love their families and would be positive additions to our communities.
I am a woman, the real kind BTW.
And until we get full control of the border, the answer is no, I do not support change to let more people in. What you are coyly saying is that you want amnesty for everyone already here illegally. Absolutely not.
And this pattern of no crime for periods of years is in direct conflict with the laws that were broken by entering illegally and most likely working here illegally.
There you go - her concern is not some kind of abstract and agnostic commitment to "the law." She likes the bigotry and is just hiding behind the law as a pretext.
Explain how "she likes bigotry." I'm not seeing it.
And, actually, our immigration laws say that people entering at places other than ports of entry should be punished. So, why do you say she is not committed to the law?
Anonymous
05/13/2023 14:16
Subject: Re:How would those who call themselves conservative yet have bigoted attitudes towards immigrants respond to this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am a conservative and a staunch atheist. You and your bible can go pound sand.
The US is not a theocracy and we have secular laws. Demanding that these laws get enforced is not bigotry.
I will pray for you, brother. Since your attachment is to the laws and not to the bigotry reflected in those laws, you would join me in supporting that they be changed to let in more people? Perhaps a program that liberalizes work visas to give people time to demonstrate motivation and a work ethic so that we know they will add to our resources rather than drain them? If the person demonstrates a pattern of hard work and no crime for a period of years, they should be made citizens.
So many people I encounter hide behind the law when, in reality, they embrace the bigotry the law allows. They would oppose a change in that law because they don't like people with darker skin or different cultures. Even if those people hard workers with good hearts who love their families and would be positive additions to our communities.
I am a woman, the real kind BTW.
And until we get full control of the border, the answer is no, I do not support change to let more people in. What you are coyly saying is that you want amnesty for everyone already here illegally. Absolutely not.
And this pattern of no crime for periods of years is in direct conflict with the laws that were broken by entering illegally and most likely working here illegally.
There you go - her concern is not some kind of abstract and agnostic commitment to "the law." She likes the bigotry and is just hiding behind the law as a pretext.
I believe in laws and science. Sorry not sorry.