Anonymous
Post 05/16/2023 08:09     Subject: Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Buying a $100 book and using it for 10 years of classes isn't a "scam".

Odds are very slim that Gatehouse will let anybody use anything for 10 years, much less an "outdated" textbook


If so, that's a Gatehouse problem, not a textbook problem.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 18:44     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


I guess if they're going about it all wrong sure. Once upon a time, some educators believe scrolls were superior to books and required these fancy new books to be transferred by hand to parchment so kids can get the same experience they had.

Similarly, I had a teacher who hated calculators and made us learn how to use slide rules. Some people cling to these outmoded methods.

People need to learn new ways of doing things instead of clinging to the past.


Aren’t we already back to scrolls? Bits and pieces of worksheets; Hard-to-locate easy-to-perish online contents; How well will today’s math students do, and how are they able to carry knowledge to the next human generation, without textbooks?


On the contrary, it's all part of this larger web of things like a meta-textbook but better!


Don’t attack textbook. Those are meta mess.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 16:17     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


I guess if they're going about it all wrong sure. Once upon a time, some educators believe scrolls were superior to books and required these fancy new books to be transferred by hand to parchment so kids can get the same experience they had.

Similarly, I had a teacher who hated calculators and made us learn how to use slide rules. Some people cling to these outmoded methods.

People need to learn new ways of doing things instead of clinging to the past.


Aren’t we already back to scrolls? Bits and pieces of worksheets; Hard-to-locate easy-to-perish online contents; How well will today’s math students do, and how are they able to carry knowledge to the next human generation, without textbooks?


On the contrary, it's all part of this larger web of things like a meta-textbook but better!
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 15:36     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


I guess if they're going about it all wrong sure. Once upon a time, some educators believe scrolls were superior to books and required these fancy new books to be transferred by hand to parchment so kids can get the same experience they had.

Similarly, I had a teacher who hated calculators and made us learn how to use slide rules. Some people cling to these outmoded methods.

People need to learn new ways of doing things instead of clinging to the past.


Aren’t we already back to scrolls? Bits and pieces of worksheets; Hard-to-locate easy-to-perish online contents; How well will today’s math students do, and how are they able to carry knowledge to the next human generation, without textbooks?
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 11:24     Subject: Math text books
Anonymous wrote:Buying a $100 book and using it for 10 years of classes isn't a "scam".

Odds are very slim that Gatehouse will let anybody use anything for 10 years, much less an "outdated" textbook
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 11:22     Subject: Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:IS there any math text book that FCPS follows for high school? OTher than AOPS books what are the other text book to follow which aligns with Virginia guidelines. Or if there is any Virginia text books to be specific?


Why do you need a textbook? All you need is content and practice problems. Go to a site like Khan Academy and find both.

KA doesn't have content explanations to the extent of a good textbook. It's mostly just practice problems and videos of Sal working out specific examples. There's little high-level structure or connections
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 10:50     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


Yes, this is what DS has. Although it's only about 50 pages (1 page per class, 2-3 classes a week with block scheduling) instead of 1146 pages.

Is it an improvement? Can't see how it is. It's lighter. I guess that's better for his back, but kids don't use lockers anymore, so he carries all of his notebooks, so it's bad for his back.


My kid's school has lockers.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 10:49     Subject: Math text books
Do people really not understand that a large format paper book with easy page-turning can be a helpful supplement to a little Chromebook screen with today's homework?

Buying a $100 book and using it for 10 years of classes isn't a "scam".


Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 09:49     Subject: Re:Math text books
I teach at college and have used many different textbooks, none of them is perfect. This is an example of a free textbook, it is not the best for sure. I personally like the AoPS series and my child is doing it at home. FCPS does not want to use textbooks and some of you think it is not useful, that is ok.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 08:51     Subject: Math text books
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:IS there any math text book that FCPS follows for high school? OTher than AOPS books what are the other text book to follow which aligns with Virginia guidelines. Or if there is any Virginia text books to be specific?


Why do you need a textbook? All you need is content and practice problems. Go to a site like Khan Academy and find both.


You are correct and I have to wonder if this forum isn't frequented by shills from the once-lucrative text book industry.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 07:39     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


Yes, this is what DS has. Although it's only about 50 pages (1 page per class, 2-3 classes a week with block scheduling) instead of 1146 pages.

Is it an improvement? Can't see how it is. It's lighter. I guess that's better for his back, but kids don't use lockers anymore, so he carries all of his notebooks, so it's bad for his back.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 07:22     Subject: Math text books
Anonymous wrote:IS there any math text book that FCPS follows for high school? OTher than AOPS books what are the other text book to follow which aligns with Virginia guidelines. Or if there is any Virginia text books to be specific?


Why do you need a textbook? All you need is content and practice problems. Go to a site like Khan Academy and find both.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 07:19     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


I guess if they're going about it all wrong sure. Once upon a time, some educators believe scrolls were superior to books and required these fancy new books to be transferred by hand to parchment so kids can get the same experience they had.

Similarly, I had a teacher who hated calculators and made us learn how to use slide rules. Some people cling to these outmoded methods.

People need to learn new ways of doing things instead of clinging to the past.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 07:18     Subject: Re:Math text books
Anonymous wrote:So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?


No. No one does this.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2023 06:11     Subject: Re:Math text books
So are the schools (or the students) actually printing out a 1146 textbook and filing it in order in a gigantic notebook in lieu of a bound math text? Is that really an improvement? I can see it being useful to have additional math exercises for practice, but if the content of the textbook is the same, how is it not more efficient to have a bound copy?