Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:53
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No student left BASIS for another DCPS or Charter school from 9th grade forward
Latin lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
Coolidge (after 9th)
LAYC Career Academy (after 10th and 11th)
Ballou STAY (after 11th)
Luke C Moore (after 11th)
SWW lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
JR (after 9th, 10th and 11th)
Latin (after 11th)
Seems like the handwringing on DCUM is a lot of noise, but the actual data says that kids who attend these schools are content.
Huh? When I select BASIS and grades 9-12, I see at least one leaving for Coolidge, and some to Walls and Ellington.
BASIS high school retained student count:
8th into 9th: 78
9th into 10th: 50
10th into 11th: 63 (must have been a bigger cohort?)
11th into 12th: 42
That doesn't really spell satisfaction in my view.
Maybe double check your work my friend? You are sorting backwards, not forwards. The kids who left for Coolidge, Walls and Ellington did so after 8th. You also fundamentally misunderstand snapshot data; you can't look at numbers from different grades in the same year and conclude enrollment drops since those kids are only in one grade in 22-23.
Ironically, you just made my point for me. People like you with strong beliefs and big mouths draw conclusions that don't comport with facts. Even with the actual data in hand you still screw it up.
I do understand those things, I thought that when you said "from 9th grade forward" you meant to include the 8th-into-9th group. But it seems you did not.
I also do understand that BASIS cohorts are of varying sizes and that this is not retention data. That is why I added the parenthetical about cohort size. Even so, this is not a resounding endorsement of BASIS.
100% of kids who start 9th stay (or move out of the district schools). You would prefer higher retention?
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:52
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.
Those numbers are not new. The challenge is trying to assess the attrition without data from other schools. Because BASIS doesn't backfill, seats that empty are not replaced. Most other schools backfill so the numbers remain pretty constant. Latin, for instance, adds 15 kids in 9th and an average of 4 every year from 6th on up.
Before you and others with a hard on for BASIS chime in, this is a value neutral observation about data and NOT a discussion of whether they can or should backfill. It is a logical, data driven response to PP who is looking at a number that cannot be measured against other schools because other schools don't publish the number of kids who started in 5th/entry year.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:50
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Brent's 5th grade isn't very big. If they sent 9 5th graders to Jefferson, that would be about 25% of the class. I'm not saying that's happening, but it's a small school.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:48
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No student left BASIS for another DCPS or Charter school from 9th grade forward
Latin lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
Coolidge (after 9th)
LAYC Career Academy (after 10th and 11th)
Ballou STAY (after 11th)
Luke C Moore (after 11th)
SWW lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
JR (after 9th, 10th and 11th)
Latin (after 11th)
Seems like the handwringing on DCUM is a lot of noise, but the actual data says that kids who attend these schools are content.
Huh? When I select BASIS and grades 9-12, I see at least one leaving for Coolidge, and some to Walls and Ellington.
BASIS high school retained student count:
8th into 9th: 78
9th into 10th: 50
10th into 11th: 63 (must have been a bigger cohort?)
11th into 12th: 42
That doesn't really spell satisfaction in my view.
Maybe double check your work my friend? You are sorting backwards, not forwards. The kids who left for Coolidge, Walls and Ellington did so after 8th. You also fundamentally misunderstand snapshot data; you can't look at numbers from different grades in the same year and conclude enrollment drops since those kids are only in one grade in 22-23.
Ironically, you just made my point for me. People like you with strong beliefs and big mouths draw conclusions that don't comport with facts. Even with the actual data in hand you still screw it up.
I do understand those things, I thought that when you said "from 9th grade forward" you meant to include the 8th-into-9th group. But it seems you did not.
I also do understand that BASIS cohorts are of varying sizes and that this is not retention data. That is why I added the parenthetical about cohort size. Even so, this is not a resounding endorsement of BASIS.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:46
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No student left BASIS for another DCPS or Charter school from 9th grade forward
Latin lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
Coolidge (after 9th)
LAYC Career Academy (after 10th and 11th)
Ballou STAY (after 11th)
Luke C Moore (after 11th)
SWW lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
JR (after 9th, 10th and 11th)
Latin (after 11th)
Seems like the handwringing on DCUM is a lot of noise, but the actual data says that kids who attend these schools are content.
Huh? When I select BASIS and grades 9-12, I see at least one leaving for Coolidge, and some to Walls and Ellington.
BASIS high school retained student count:
8th into 9th: 78
9th into 10th: 50
10th into 11th: 63 (must have been a bigger cohort?)
11th into 12th: 42
That doesn't really spell satisfaction in my view.
Maybe double check your work my friend? You are sorting backwards, not forwards. The kids who left for Coolidge, Walls and Ellington did so after 8th. You also fundamentally misunderstand snapshot data; you can't look at numbers from different grades in the same year and conclude enrollment drops since those kids are only in one grade in 22-23.
Ironically, you just made my point for me. People like you with strong beliefs and big mouths draw conclusions that don't comport with facts. Even with the actual data in hand you still screw it up.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:45
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:40
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Observation: Walls truly pulls from all over the city. Only two schools (Deal-35, Hardy-16) sent more than 10 kids to Walls in 9th. The list of schools that sent at least one kid to Walls for 9th is below:
Cardozo Education Campus
Columbia Heights Education Campus
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens
Ida B. Wells Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
Wheatley Education Campus
Capitol Hill Montessori School @ Logan
Jefferson Middle School Academy
Stuart-Hobson Middle School (Capitol Hill Cluster)
Deal Middle School
Hardy Middle School
Oyster-Adams Bilingual School
Not in audit
BASIS DC PCS
Center City PCS - Capitol Hill
DC Prep PCS - Benning Middle School
Digital Pioneers Academy PCS - Johenning
District of Columbia International School
E.L. Haynes PCS - Middle School
Friendship PCS - Armstrong Middle
Friendship PCS - Chamberlain Middle
Friendship PCS - Woodridge International Middle
Howard University Middle School of Mathematics and Science PCS
Ingenuity Prep PCS
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS
KIPP DC - AIM Academy PCS
KIPP DC - KEY Academy PCS
KIPP DC - Northeast Academy PCS
KIPP DC - WILL Academy PCS
Meridian PCS
Paul PCS - Middle School
The Children's Guild DC PCS
The Sojourner Truth School PCS
Two Rivers PCS - Young Middle School
Washington Global PCS
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School
MacFarland Middle School
All of the application schools (except Cardozo's) seem to be pretty diverse schools-wise.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:39
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
The following slide, Grade Progression Ratio, is interesting too. https://edscape.dc.gov/page/grade-progression-ratio
It's *not* the same thing as retention of students who attended the school in the previous grade, but it shows how the size of each grade compares to the grade below it. So you can see some schools that don't have great retention still fill their seats. Others have trouble with it.
It's *not* the same thing as retention of students who attended the school in the previous grade, but it shows how the size of each grade compares to the grade below it. So you can see some schools that don't have great retention still fill their seats. Others have trouble with it.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:35
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:When kids left their charter school, were they unable to lottery into popular middle or high schools or did they go to some by default?
It doesn't say why.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:34
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
When kids left their charter school, were they unable to lottery into popular middle or high schools or did they go to some by default?
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:32
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.
Well no-- not all BASIS cohorts start at the same size. You'd have to look back in time to how many they enrolled in that particular cohort four years earlier. You could do that on the OSSE enrollment audit data website if you wanted to.
Well that's good. I hope they have more satisfied students than this looks like.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:30
Subject: Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Walls:
9th into 10th: 152
10th into 11th: 148
11th into 12th: 137
Looks pretty good.
9th into 10th: 152
10th into 11th: 148
11th into 12th: 137
Looks pretty good.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:29
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.
Well no-- not all BASIS cohorts start at the same size. You'd have to look back in time to how many they enrolled in that particular cohort four years earlier. You could do that on the OSSE enrollment audit data website if you wanted to.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:28
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Anonymous wrote:No student left BASIS for another DCPS or Charter school from 9th grade forward
Latin lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
Coolidge (after 9th)
LAYC Career Academy (after 10th and 11th)
Ballou STAY (after 11th)
Luke C Moore (after 11th)
SWW lost kid(s) (who stayed in DCPS/charter) to:
JR (after 9th, 10th and 11th)
Latin (after 11th)
Seems like the handwringing on DCUM is a lot of noise, but the actual data says that kids who attend these schools are content.
Huh? When I select BASIS and grades 9-12, I see at least one leaving for Coolidge, and some to Walls and Ellington.
BASIS high school retained student count:
8th into 9th: 78
9th into 10th: 50
10th into 11th: 63 (must have been a bigger cohort?)
11th into 12th: 42
That doesn't really spell satisfaction in my view.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:28
Subject: Re:Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.