Anonymous
06/07/2023 13:03
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:Highly are qualified students? They called Europeans and they get better grades because they have better livelihoods growing up without poverty with supportive societal structures. Also, they have free college , even when studying here, so they don't have to work full time and go to school.
+1000 this so overlooked. European teens aren’t working 25 hours a week at McDonald’s after school in 9th grade to support the family.
Anonymous
06/07/2023 13:02
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Highly are qualified students? They called Europeans and they get better grades because they have better livelihoods growing up without poverty with supportive societal structures. Also, they have free college , even when studying here, so they don't have to work full time and go to school.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 13:08
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:I am a fan of Mike Rowe and come from a blue collar/farm background, but am also a professor. I don't understand the zero sum game this becomes. We should push a bunch of kids with aptitudes to pursue college/grad school and we should also push a bunch of kids (and celebrate them doing so) into skilled trades.
I agree with this 100%. We need to up the understanding of the skills, problem solving and even artistry needed to do trade work. (But I am a first gen american who grew up near Baltimore and have an old lady crush on Mike Rowe so I have my own bias!) Increasing the esteem of the trades would go a long way in our society.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 11:20
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
I also greatly value education. However, I also realize not everyone has the same goals and values. So no point in forcing everyone to walk the same path. Help everyone figure out what works best for them.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 10:26
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:School districts need better counseling and career coaching.
I'm in a district that does this but most don't. Starting in sixth grade students tailor their school experience to what they actually want to do. Middle school is pretty standard still but high school is completely different. The traditional college prep model is only worthwhile for 4 year degree seeking students around one third of the population.
For the rest of the students, specialized skill classes, internships, apprenticeships and the like are a much better use of high school time.
Germany gets this with their 4yr university 2 yr college and trade tracks.
Germany has equal education in the primary years. We do not.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 10:25
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:I assisted setup at an elite NYC public high school college fair last night. I talked to a few state school reps who looked a little lonely as nobody was flocking to their table. Found out that the reps didn't attend the school. In fact, they talked about their "territories". The Bronx has its own rep, as does Brooklyn, as does Queens. It all felt familiar, like... a window sales rep telling me about their 'territory' (you have to call so-and-so because he handles Westchester...).
Then consider what kids are told about their application - you have to convince the school about what YOU (the student) will contribute to the student body. Well, that sounds like a job interview at a company - what value you bring to the organization.
Except the organization will pay a successful candidate a salary.
For college, the successful candidate pays the college organization a princely sum for the privilege of rounding out the student body.
A friend told me college today is a seller's market.
There are tons of colleges competing for highly qualified students.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 10:21
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
School districts need better counseling and career coaching.
I'm in a district that does this but most don't. Starting in sixth grade students tailor their school experience to what they actually want to do. Middle school is pretty standard still but high school is completely different. The traditional college prep model is only worthwhile for 4 year degree seeking students around one third of the population.
For the rest of the students, specialized skill classes, internships, apprenticeships and the like are a much better use of high school time.
Germany gets this with their 4yr university 2 yr college and trade tracks.
I'm in a district that does this but most don't. Starting in sixth grade students tailor their school experience to what they actually want to do. Middle school is pretty standard still but high school is completely different. The traditional college prep model is only worthwhile for 4 year degree seeking students around one third of the population.
For the rest of the students, specialized skill classes, internships, apprenticeships and the like are a much better use of high school time.
Germany gets this with their 4yr university 2 yr college and trade tracks.
Anonymous
04/29/2023 05:57
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:My kids can do/be anything they want AFTER getting a college education
Well, they legally can do whatever they want after age 18. Of course you won’t love them or support them if they do, but you should be clearer about your intent.
Anonymous
04/28/2023 22:11
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
The school system sucks. Wastes years of lives stretching out minimum results over maximum of time. Administered and populated by really dumb people.
Anonymous
04/28/2023 22:07
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
I assisted setup at an elite NYC public high school college fair last night. I talked to a few state school reps who looked a little lonely as nobody was flocking to their table. Found out that the reps didn't attend the school. In fact, they talked about their "territories". The Bronx has its own rep, as does Brooklyn, as does Queens. It all felt familiar, like... a window sales rep telling me about their 'territory' (you have to call so-and-so because he handles Westchester...).
Then consider what kids are told about their application - you have to convince the school about what YOU (the student) will contribute to the student body. Well, that sounds like a job interview at a company - what value you bring to the organization.
Except the organization will pay a successful candidate a salary.
For college, the successful candidate pays the college organization a princely sum for the privilege of rounding out the student body.
A friend told me college today is a seller's market.
Then consider what kids are told about their application - you have to convince the school about what YOU (the student) will contribute to the student body. Well, that sounds like a job interview at a company - what value you bring to the organization.
Except the organization will pay a successful candidate a salary.
For college, the successful candidate pays the college organization a princely sum for the privilege of rounding out the student body.
A friend told me college today is a seller's market.
Anonymous
04/28/2023 21:50
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We already have 13+ yrs of a free education. If students don’t t make good use of it, why should our taxes fund more of it for college?
Because a high school diploma is worthless in the job market.
Then maybe we should change our high school curriculum to make it more useful rather than just tacking on more years of formal education?
Anonymous
04/28/2023 18:14
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
I am a fan of Mike Rowe and come from a blue collar/farm background, but am also a professor. I don't understand the zero sum game this becomes. We should push a bunch of kids with aptitudes to pursue college/grad school and we should also push a bunch of kids (and celebrate them doing so) into skilled trades.
Anonymous
04/28/2023 18:10
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Anonymous wrote:We already have 13+ yrs of a free education. If students don’t t make good use of it, why should our taxes fund more of it for college?
Because a high school diploma is worthless in the job market.
Anonymous
04/28/2023 18:10
Subject: Re:I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
We already have 13+ yrs of a free education. If students don’t t make good use of it, why should our taxes fund more of it for college?
Anonymous
04/28/2023 15:17
Subject: I dislike the anti-education attitude of people who try to convince youth that college, grad school
Free education is the solution. Free healthcare and free education should be human rights.